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PalazioVecchio south pole 11 Apr 24 8.51am
....that most of us believe to be true. - Hadrian built his wall to defend Roman Brittania from the Scots ( Nope, 'the Scots' only really arrived into the North, from Ireland, after the year 500 AD. Hadrians true enemy were The Caledonians and/or the Picts ) - Napoleon was a warmonger. ( Nope, it was everybody else that kept declaring war on him ) - WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland ( nope, Anthony Beever has argued that Japanese military actions in the link below is the true start ) - The exact site of the Battle of Hastings ( the tourist location of Battle Abbey may actually be incorrect. Calbec hill may be where the argy-bargy really happened ) - Christopher Columbus discovered America ( nope, Leif Erikson was at Newfoundland in the 10th Century. And also Columbus seems to have restricted his adventures to the Caribbean & avoided the North American landmass almost completely ) - JFK won the standoff at the Cuban Missile Crisis ( nope, it was a negotiated settlement. Involved the US quietly removing their nukes from Turkey ) What others ? [Link] Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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....that most of us believe to be true.

- Hadrian built his wall to defend Roman Brittania from the Scots ( Nope, 'the Scots' only really arrived into the North, from Ireland, after the year 500 AD. Hadrians true enemy were The Caledonians and/or the Picts )

- Napoleon was a warmonger. ( Nope, it was everybody else that kept declaring war on him )

- WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland ( nope, Anthony Beever has argued that Japanese military actions in the link below is the true start )

- The exact site of the Battle of Hastings ( the tourist location of Battle Abbey may actually be incorrect. Calbec hill may be where the argy-bargy really happened )

- Christopher Columbus discovered America ( nope, Leif Erikson was at Newfoundland in the 10th Century. And also Columbus seems to have restricted his adventures to the Caribbean & avoided the North American landmass almost completely )

- JFK won the standoff at the Cuban Missile Crisis ( nope, it was a negotiated settlement. Involved the US quietly removing their nukes from Turkey )

What others ?

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Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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beak croydon 11 Apr 24 9.01am
We Won WW 2, look at our national debt.
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croydon 11 Apr 24 9.01am

We Won WW 2, look at our national debt.

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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Apr 24 9.08am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio ....that most of us believe to be true. - Hadrian built his wall to defend Roman Brittania from the Scots ( Nope, 'the Scots' only really arrived into the North, from Ireland, after the year 500 AD. Hadrians true enemy were The Caledonians and/or the Picts ) - Napoleon was a warmonger. ( Nope, it was everybody else that kept declaring war on him ) - WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland ( nope, Anthony Beever has argued that Japanese military actions in the link below is the true start ) - The exact site of the Battle of Hastings ( the tourist location of Battle Abbey may actually be incorrect. Calbec hill may be where the argy-bargy really happened ) - Christopher Columbus discovered America ( nope, Leif Erikson was at Newfoundland in the 10th Century. And also Columbus seems to have restricted his adventures to the Caribbean & avoided the North American landmass almost completely ) - JFK won the standoff at the Cuban Missile Crisis ( nope, it was a negotiated settlement. Involved the US quietly removing their nukes from Turkey ) What others ? [Link] Not sure about that. The link is referring to border skirmishes between the Soviet Union and Japan. Japan did not join WW2 until late 1941. The invasion of Poland meant that Britain and France declared war on Germany and in the next few days British and French colonies across the world also declared war. Meanwhile the Soviet Union had declared war on Poland and then Finland. So I think you can call it a world war at this point. I agree about JFK who is portrayed as a hero. It was his bungling and indecision over the Bay of Pigs that led to Castro asking for nuclear weapons. The Russians only agreed to remove them when the US agreed to do likewise in Turkey. Militarily it was a stalemate politically it meant that Khrushchev lost face at home and then his job. Edited by Badger11 (11 Apr 2024 9.10am) One more point
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Beckenham 11 Apr 24 9.08am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

....that most of us believe to be true.

- Napoleon was a warmonger. ( Nope, it was everybody else that kept declaring war on him )

- WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland ( nope, Anthony Beever has argued that Japanese military actions in the link below is the true start )

- The exact site of the Battle of Hastings ( the tourist location of Battle Abbey may actually be incorrect. Calbec hill may be where the argy-bargy really happened )

- JFK won the standoff at the Cuban Missile Crisis ( nope, it was a negotiated settlement. Involved the US quietly removing their nukes from Turkey )

What others ?

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Not sure about that. The link is referring to border skirmishes between the Soviet Union and Japan. Japan did not join WW2 until late 1941.

The invasion of Poland meant that Britain and France declared war on Germany and in the next few days British and French colonies across the world also declared war. Meanwhile the Soviet Union had declared war on Poland and then Finland. So I think you can call it a world war at this point.

I agree about JFK who is portrayed as a hero. It was his bungling and indecision over the Bay of Pigs that led to Castro asking for nuclear weapons. The Russians only agreed to remove them when the US agreed to do likewise in Turkey. Militarily it was a stalemate politically it meant that Khrushchev lost face at home and then his job.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Apr 2024 9.10am)

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Badger11 Beckenham 11 Apr 24 9.17am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio ....that most of us believe to be true. - Hadrian built his wall to defend Roman Brittania from the Scots ( Nope, 'the Scots' only really arrived into the North, from Ireland, after the year 500 AD. Hadrians true enemy were The Caledonians and/or the Picts ) - Napoleon was a warmonger. ( Nope, it was everybody else that kept declaring war on him ) - WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland ( nope, Anthony Beever has argued that Japanese military actions in the link below is the true start ) - The exact site of the Battle of Hastings ( the tourist location of Battle Abbey may actually be incorrect. Calbec hill may be where the argy-bargy really happened ) - Christopher Columbus discovered America ( nope, Leif Erikson was at Newfoundland in the 10th Century. And also Columbus seems to have restricted his adventures to the Caribbean & avoided the North American landmass almost completely ) - JFK won the standoff at the Cuban Missile Crisis ( nope, it was a negotiated settlement. Involved the US quietly removing their nukes from Turkey ) What others ? [Link] I don't agree with this one either. After the French Revolution France was in turmoil and it's true that the other powers fearful that this would spread to them attacked France. However by the time Napoleon was a senior figure with influence he invaded Egypt, Italy, Spain and Portugal not to mention many other countries up to and including Russia. His goal was for a single European Empire governed by one set of rules (sound familiar?). Other countries kept attacking him because he was a threat. One more point
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Beckenham 11 Apr 24 9.17am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

....that most of us believe to be true.

- Napoleon was a warmonger. ( Nope, it was everybody else that kept declaring war on him )

- WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland ( nope, Anthony Beever has argued that Japanese military actions in the link below is the true start )

- The exact site of the Battle of Hastings ( the tourist location of Battle Abbey may actually be incorrect. Calbec hill may be where the argy-bargy really happened )

- JFK won the standoff at the Cuban Missile Crisis ( nope, it was a negotiated settlement. Involved the US quietly removing their nukes from Turkey )

What others ?

[Link]

I don't agree with this one either. After the French Revolution France was in turmoil and it's true that the other powers fearful that this would spread to them attacked France.

However by the time Napoleon was a senior figure with influence he invaded Egypt, Italy, Spain and Portugal not to mention many other countries up to and including Russia.

His goal was for a single European Empire governed by one set of rules (sound familiar?). Other countries kept attacking him because he was a threat.

One more point

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 11 Apr 24 9.31am
These are my historical facts that are NOT true. The deaths of Marylyn Monroe, JFK, Princess Diana, Jeffrey Epstein, Natalie Wood are as we are told A UFO never crashed in Roswell or Lombardy in 1933 Jesus is the son of God The Vatican is a bastion of truth and kindness Jack the Ripper was not connected to the Royal Family The Monster of Florence killed 33 people on his own, and no satanic sect was involved Edouard is a quality Centre Forward “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 11 Apr 24 9.31am

These are my historical facts that are NOT true.

The deaths of Marylyn Monroe, JFK, Princess Diana, Jeffrey Epstein, Natalie Wood are as we are told

A UFO never crashed in Roswell or Lombardy in 1933

Jesus is the son of God

The Vatican is a bastion of truth and kindness

Jack the Ripper was not connected to the Royal Family

The Monster of Florence killed 33 people on his own, and no satanic sect was involved

Edouard is a quality Centre Forward

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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PalazioVecchio south pole 11 Apr 24 9.46am
Originally posted by Badger11 Not sure about that. The link is referring to border skirmishes between the Soviet Union and Japan. Japan did not join WW2 until late 1941. Edited by Badger11 (11 Apr 2024 9.10am) good man. The thread is meant to stir up a discussion and exchange of opposite opinions. Next...... Queen Boudicca as a British national heroine. Apart from the longstanding error in the spelling & pronunciation of her name ( not the ecclesiastical Bodacia ) a) she flopped and fail to win her battles against the Romans - cementing their grip b) she was really a traitor descended from a long line of pro-Roman puppet collaborators. Similarly... Saddam Hussein as the butcher of Baghdad...the enemy of the West. Curiously he had been their own little puppet in the Region for a heck of a long time. It was only after he went Rogue that he got all the bad rep. Meanwhile many other nasty genocidal puppets, who have abused Human Rights, never got the rep Saddam got. Edited by PalazioVecchio (11 Apr 2024 10.39am) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 11 Apr 24 9.46am

Originally posted by Badger11

Not sure about that. The link is referring to border skirmishes between the Soviet Union and Japan. Japan did not join WW2 until late 1941.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Apr 2024 9.10am)

good man. The thread is meant to stir up a discussion and exchange of opposite opinions.

Next......

Queen Boudicca as a British national heroine. Apart from the longstanding error in the spelling & pronunciation of her name ( not the ecclesiastical Bodacia )
a) she flopped and fail to win her battles against the Romans - cementing their grip b) she was really a traitor descended from a long line of pro-Roman puppet collaborators.

Similarly...

Saddam Hussein as the butcher of Baghdad...the enemy of the West. Curiously he had been their own little puppet in the Region for a heck of a long time. It was only after he went Rogue that he got all the bad rep. Meanwhile many other nasty genocidal puppets, who have abused Human Rights, never got the rep Saddam got.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (11 Apr 2024 10.39am)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 11 Apr 24 11.47am
Not too sure how reliable this is, but I was told it by some knowledgeable bloke I used to work with. A renegade IRA cell killed Louis Mountbatten in 1979. This unit of IRA members had breached an agreed policy with the UK Government. The IRA cell members were taken to a remote place in Ireland, and shot dead in front of a couple of UK and US Government officials, and their bodies destroyed. It seemed plausible. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Not too sure how reliable this is, but I was told it by some knowledgeable bloke I used to work with.
A renegade IRA cell killed Louis Mountbatten in 1979. This unit of IRA members had breached an agreed policy with the UK Government. The IRA cell members were taken to a remote place in Ireland, and shot dead in front of a couple of UK and US Government officials, and their bodies destroyed.
It seemed plausible.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Apr 24 11.58am
Has nobody mentioned the year Crystal Palace Football Club was founded yet? Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Apr 24 11.58am

Has nobody mentioned the year Crystal Palace Football Club was founded yet?

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Apr 24 6.47pm
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad These are my historical facts that are NOT true. The deaths of Marylyn Monroe, JFK, Princess Diana, Jeffrey Epstein, Natalie Wood are as we are told A UFO never crashed in Roswell or Lombardy in 1933 Jesus is the son of God The Vatican is a bastion of truth and kindness Jack the Ripper was not connected to the Royal Family The Monster of Florence killed 33 people on his own, and no satanic sect was involved Edouard is a quality Centre Forward Correct. It was 1947.
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

These are my historical facts that are NOT true.

The deaths of Marylyn Monroe, JFK, Princess Diana, Jeffrey Epstein, Natalie Wood are as we are told

A UFO never crashed in Roswell or Lombardy in 1933

Jesus is the son of God

The Vatican is a bastion of truth and kindness

Jack the Ripper was not connected to the Royal Family

The Monster of Florence killed 33 people on his own, and no satanic sect was involved

Edouard is a quality Centre Forward

Correct. It was 1947.

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Apr 24 6.52pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio ....that most of us believe to be true. - Hadrian built his wall to defend Roman Brittania from the Scots ( Nope, 'the Scots' only really arrived into the North, from Ireland, after the year 500 AD. Hadrians true enemy were The Caledonians and/or the Picts ) - Napoleon was a warmonger. ( Nope, it was everybody else that kept declaring war on him ) - WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland ( nope, Anthony Beever has argued that Japanese military actions in the link below is the true start ) - The exact site of the Battle of Hastings ( the tourist location of Battle Abbey may actually be incorrect. Calbec hill may be where the argy-bargy really happened ) - Christopher Columbus discovered America ( nope, Leif Erikson was at Newfoundland in the 10th Century. And also Columbus seems to have restricted his adventures to the Caribbean & avoided the North American landmass almost completely ) - JFK won the standoff at the Cuban Missile Crisis ( nope, it was a negotiated settlement. Involved the US quietly removing their nukes from Turkey ) What others ? [Link] That's a bit nit picky. The Picts and Caledonians were the 'Scots' of the time, albeit before the country of Scotland existed. In a world where a lot of young people can't even point to Scotland on a map, I'm not sure that we need to worry.
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11 Apr 24 6.52pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

....that most of us believe to be true.

- Napoleon was a warmonger. ( Nope, it was everybody else that kept declaring war on him )

- WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland ( nope, Anthony Beever has argued that Japanese military actions in the link below is the true start )

- The exact site of the Battle of Hastings ( the tourist location of Battle Abbey may actually be incorrect. Calbec hill may be where the argy-bargy really happened )

- JFK won the standoff at the Cuban Missile Crisis ( nope, it was a negotiated settlement. Involved the US quietly removing their nukes from Turkey )

What others ?

[Link]

That's a bit nit picky.

The Picts and Caledonians were the 'Scots' of the time, albeit before the country of Scotland existed.
In a world where a lot of young people can't even point to Scotland on a map, I'm not sure that we need to worry.

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Mapletree Croydon 11 Apr 24 11.28pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Correct. It was 1947. No The Lombardy case was 13th June 1933. Near Milan.
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Croydon 11 Apr 24 11.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Correct. It was 1947.

The Lombardy case was 13th June 1933. Near Milan.

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doi209 Fighting for the weak and innocent... 11 Apr 24 11.31pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio ....that most of us believe to be true. - Hadrian built his wall to defend Roman Brittania from the Scots ( Nope, 'the Scots' only really arrived into the North, from Ireland, after the year 500 AD. Hadrians true enemy were The Caledonians and/or the Picts ) - Napoleon was a warmonger. ( Nope, it was everybody else that kept declaring war on him ) - WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland ( nope, Anthony Beever has argued that Japanese military actions in the link below is the true start ) - The exact site of the Battle of Hastings ( the tourist location of Battle Abbey may actually be incorrect. Calbec hill may be where the argy-bargy really happened ) - Christopher Columbus discovered America ( nope, Leif Erikson was at Newfoundland in the 10th Century. And also Columbus seems to have restricted his adventures to the Caribbean & avoided the North American landmass almost completely ) - JFK won the standoff at the Cuban Missile Crisis ( nope, it was a negotiated settlement. Involved the US quietly removing their nukes from Turkey ) What others ? [Link] I'm currently in Guadeloupe and we drove past 'Columbus East' and 'Columbus West' this afternoon ( south-east coast of Basse-Terre ).
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Fighting for the weak and innocent... 11 Apr 24 11.31pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

....that most of us believe to be true.

- Napoleon was a warmonger. ( Nope, it was everybody else that kept declaring war on him )

- WWII started when Hitler invaded Poland ( nope, Anthony Beever has argued that Japanese military actions in the link below is the true start )

- The exact site of the Battle of Hastings ( the tourist location of Battle Abbey may actually be incorrect. Calbec hill may be where the argy-bargy really happened )

- JFK won the standoff at the Cuban Missile Crisis ( nope, it was a negotiated settlement. Involved the US quietly removing their nukes from Turkey )

What others ?

[Link]

I'm currently in Guadeloupe and we drove past 'Columbus East' and 'Columbus West' this afternoon ( south-east coast of Basse-Terre ).

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