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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 25 Mar 24 10.57am | |
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. . . or maybe not. Story is from the 'Mail' so it can't be true, because 'wissie' doesn't trust nor believe them. Anyhoo, the club have taken out a 'significant' loan from an American Investment Co, MGG, taken against future transfer dealings & 'day-to-day' running costs . . . [Link]
This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise. |
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crystal-purley Purley 25 Mar 24 11.11am | |
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I am missing something here because if we are selling players and replacing those players then in theory the players sold will be larger than the players brought in. If so then we will have more money then why do we have to borrow more money??
Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course). |
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Charles Forest Hill 25 Mar 24 11.19am | |
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Originally posted by crystal-purley
I am missing something here because if we are selling players and replacing those players then in theory the players sold will be larger than the players brought in. If so then we will have more money then why do we have to borrow more money?? As I read it the profits from sales you're expecting will be used to pay off the loan. It could be quite a short term loan simply allowing the club to sign new players without having to wait until outgoing sales have been completed.
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 25 Mar 24 11.22am | |
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Originally posted by crystal-purley
I am missing something here because if we are selling players and replacing those players then in theory the players sold will be larger than the players brought in. If so then we will have more money then why do we have to borrow more money?? Perhaps its for a sort of 'Invoice Discounting' type arrangement, whereby we get paid in instalments by the buying club, but the loan means we can use the full amount from day one. Potentially that may mean we end up getting a higher price than holding out for the full amount at point of sale.
hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing. |
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 25 Mar 24 11.23am | |
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My VERY LIMITED interpretation of that would be it is indicative of the model I had initially thought we were following? Take out loans to free up cash for purchasing players we would then look to resell at a higher price at some point in the future, paying back the loans, performing in the League and keeping some extra dosh for the club. Hence the purchases of many younger players at reasonable prices with the hope/expectation they go for far more in the future - Guehi, Doucoure, Eze, Olise, Franca etc. For me that's a far more sustainable and better plan than buying players at high prices, for short term fixes, and letting them go for near if not nothing in the future (Sakho and Benteke for instance). I'm also hoping that this means we are looking to buy players in the summer, even if we sell one or more. Again, VERY LIMITED interpretation. Happy to be corrected but equally informed.
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Mar 24 11.30am | |
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We really need a much more stream lined and clearer ownership structure if we're ever going to get anywhere. We have over 100 mil in loans to service now.
Red and Blue Army! |
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crystal-purley Purley 25 Mar 24 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Charles
As I read it the profits from sales you're expecting will be used to pay off the loan. It could be quite a short term loan simply allowing the club to sign new players without having to wait until outgoing sales have been completed. So in theory a bridging loan and if the valuations are to be believed then all would be ok after the first transaction. I think it's a loan to pay off the the extra cost on the Main stand
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 25 Mar 24 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Perhaps its for a sort of 'Invoice Discounting' type arrangement, whereby we get paid in instalments by the buying club, but the loan means we can use the full amount from day one. Potentially that may mean we end up getting a higher price than holding out for the full amount at point of sale.
Hope that makes sense.
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 25 Mar 24 12.50pm | |
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First signing will be a new treatment table
Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry. |
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Midlands Eagle 25 Mar 24 2.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Perhaps its for a sort of 'Invoice Discounting' type arrangement, whereby we get paid in instalments by the buying club, but the loan means we can use the full amount from day one. Potentially that may mean we end up getting a higher price than holding out for the full amount at point of sale. I don't think that's the case as we have done that before when we sold Aaron Wan-Bissaka as payment was supposed to be 50% with the balance after 12 months so we borrowed the final instalment from McQuarrie Bank. I can't see why we would have to take out a loan now to fund future trading and it's more likely that we have borrowed to cover losses and January purchases and repayment will be against future player sales
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Fanofzhiyi Kent 25 Mar 24 4.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
My VERY LIMITED interpretation of that would be it is indicative of the model I had initially thought we were following? Take out loans to free up cash for purchasing players we would then look to resell at a higher price at some point in the future, paying back the loans, performing in the League and keeping some extra dosh for the club. Hence the purchases of many younger players at reasonable prices with the hope/expectation they go for far more in the future - Guehi, Doucoure, Eze, Olise, Franca etc. For me that's a far more sustainable and better plan than buying players at high prices, for short term fixes, and letting them go for near if not nothing in the future (Sakho and Benteke for instance). I'm also hoping that this means we are looking to buy players in the summer, even if we sell one or more. Again, VERY LIMITED interpretation. Happy to be corrected but equally informed. Is it likely that this way we can buy players before we sell. That way we can purchase new signings and hold out for higher prices for the ones we do sell, rather than wait to the end of the window and then sell and panic buy with whatever players are still available
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orpingtoneagle Orpington 25 Mar 24 7.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
My VERY LIMITED interpretation of that would be it is indicative of the model I had initially thought we were following? Take out loans to free up cash for purchasing players we would then look to resell at a higher price at some point in the future, paying back the loans, performing in the League and keeping some extra dosh for the club. Hence the purchases of many younger players at reasonable prices with the hope/expectation they go for far more in the future - Guehi, Doucoure, Eze, Olise, Franca etc. For me that's a far more sustainable and better plan than buying players at high prices, for short term fixes, and letting them go for near if not nothing in the future (Sakho and Benteke for instance). I'm also hoping that this means we are looking to buy players in the summer, even if we sell one or more. Again, VERY LIMITED interpretation. Happy to be corrected but equally informed. I am VERY concerned if this is true. This is club financing a la Simon Jordan. Borrowing money based on player values is like a glorified gambling. When we buy a player it comes with risks Player might turn out to be rubbish and have little or no re sale value Player might run down contract and be worthless Player profit might not cover interest and or capital costs Rate of interest on such a speculative loan will be costly. This smacks of their being an issue with our finances.
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