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Matov 27 Dec 23 8.16pm
[Link] A man with a vision and who strove to achieve it. Love him or loathe him, he set out what he believed in and in politics, that is worth celebrating, especially in light of the feather-weights we have at the moment. Not my cup of tea on a variety of levels but still kudos for believing in something and acting accordingly. Aint much of it about anymore. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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27 Dec 23 8.16pm

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A man with a vision and who strove to achieve it. Love him or loathe him, he set out what he believed in and in politics, that is worth celebrating, especially in light of the feather-weights we have at the moment.

Not my cup of tea on a variety of levels but still kudos for believing in something and acting accordingly. Aint much of it about anymore.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 27 Dec 23 11.04pm
fellas who envisioned a united Europe, under one flag or ideology. Julius Caesar Justinian of Byzantium Charlemagne Pope Innocent III Napoleon kaiser Wilhelm Hitler Stalin Jaque Delors .......and all of them failed. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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fellas who envisioned a united Europe, under one flag or ideology.

Julius Caesar
Justinian of Byzantium
Charlemagne

Pope Innocent III

Napoleon
kaiser Wilhelm

Hitler
Stalin
Jaque Delors

.......and all of them failed.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Dec 23 11.05pm
Originally posted by Matov [Link] A man with a vision and who strove to achieve it. Love him or loathe him, he set out what he believed in and in politics, that is worth celebrating, especially in light of the feather-weights we have at the moment. Not my cup of tea on a variety of levels but still kudos for believing in something and acting accordingly. Aint much of it about anymore. Credit is due to you too for the tone and humility of your tribute. Well done. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 27 Dec 23 11.05pm

Originally posted by Matov

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Not my cup of tea on a variety of levels but still kudos for believing in something and acting accordingly. Aint much of it about anymore.

Credit is due to you too for the tone and humility of your tribute. Well done.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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cryrst The garden of England 28 Dec 23 7.32am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Credit is due to you too for the tone and humility of your tribute. Well done. Sort of blunted your pencil somewhat! and you haven’t mentioned the B word. I’m impressed
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The garden of England 28 Dec 23 7.32am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Credit is due to you too for the tone and humility of your tribute. Well done.

Sort of blunted your pencil somewhat! and you haven’t mentioned the B word.
I’m impressed

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The Dolphin 28 Dec 23 7.39am
I agree Matov. A politician who is prepared to stand by their real beliefs and try to make things happen based on those beliefs is someone to be admired, regardless of anything else. If either Starmer or Sunak had an ounce of what he had we might be in a better place.
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28 Dec 23 7.39am

I agree Matov.
A politician who is prepared to stand by their real beliefs and try to make things happen based on those beliefs is someone to be admired, regardless of anything else.
If either Starmer or Sunak had an ounce of what he had we might be in a better place.

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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Dec 23 10.32am
Its adieu not au revoir. The modern EU is not 'the house that Jacques built' it has evolved since his time but he was an architect. An Attlee type of figure, socialist with an eye for detail and getting things done, he is credited with such complex technical challenges as the euro and the single market. Visionary and with the ability to deliver. RIP Edited by steeleye20 (28 Dec 2023 10.33am)
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Croydon 28 Dec 23 10.32am

Its adieu not au revoir.

The modern EU is not 'the house that Jacques built' it has evolved since his time but he was an architect.

An Attlee type of figure, socialist with an eye for detail and getting things done, he is credited with such complex technical challenges as the euro and the single market.

Visionary and with the ability to deliver.

RIP

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 28 Dec 23 11.30am
It was mainly about free money for French farmers and still is. France is not a viable economy without the EU and Germany has no political allies without the EU. Unless you count its eastern vassal states. People had visions of an EU because they remembered the wars in Europe. If anyone's afraid of German invasion now then fair enough. The EU posturing over Ukraine - without the military to back it up - is actually making the world more dangerous now. I doubt Jacque Delors would have welcomed the current EU, although maybe he would if he had a sweet job in it. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 28 Dec 23 11.30am

It was mainly about free money for French farmers and still is. France is not a viable economy without the EU and Germany has no political allies without the EU. Unless you count its eastern vassal states.
People had visions of an EU because they remembered the wars in Europe. If anyone's afraid of German invasion now then fair enough. The EU posturing over Ukraine - without the military to back it up - is actually making the world more dangerous now.
I doubt Jacque Delors would have welcomed the current EU, although maybe he would if he had a sweet job in it.

Red and Blue Army!

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Matov 28 Dec 23 1.59pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC It was mainly about free money for French farmers and still is. France is not a viable economy without the EU and Germany has no political allies without the EU. Unless you count its eastern vassal states. People had visions of an EU because they remembered the wars in Europe. If anyone's afraid of German invasion now then fair enough. The EU posturing over Ukraine - without the military to back it up - is actually making the world more dangerous now. I doubt Jacque Delors would have welcomed the current EU, although maybe he would if he had a sweet job in it. The thing about the EU is that as a concept, especially in light of the devestation wrought over the course of WW2, that this idea of Europe pulling together as a single entity had (and might still have) a genuine idealisitic power behind it. I think it is literally impossible for us in the UK, for a variety of reasons both positive and negative, to comprehend the sheer scale of devestation that both WW1 and WW2 bought to Europe as a whole. Entire cities leveled, millions of people displaced, and economies rendered literally non-existent. By May 1945 France and Germany had been to war with each 3 times in a space of less than 100 years with that having dire consequences for both countries. The notion of a European Community/Union (and initially it was a steel agreement designed in such a way to mean Germany could never fully rearm again) was more than just some cozy soc.lib pissing in the wind but an actual concept borne out the deaths of millions. And drove people like Delors. It was the major issue I never got with the Remain camp. They never truly sold the potential of the EU. Now I have my reasons for believing the 'why' behind that but the reality is the notion of a single body stretching from the western most parts of Portugal all the way over to the Urals mountains and down as far south as Scilcily is simply mindboggling. And Delors embodied that. You might disagree with him on all sorts and feel the UK was/is better off out of it but the ideal he was chasing, does have a genuine merit. Which even those who most loudly still protest about our departure from the EU never quite seemed to share "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

28 Dec 23 1.59pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

The thing about the EU is that as a concept, especially in light of the devestation wrought over the course of WW2, that this idea of Europe pulling together as a single entity had (and might still have) a genuine idealisitic power behind it. I think it is literally impossible for us in the UK, for a variety of reasons both positive and negative, to comprehend the sheer scale of devestation that both WW1 and WW2 bought to Europe as a whole.

Entire cities leveled, millions of people displaced, and economies rendered literally non-existent.

By May 1945 France and Germany had been to war with each 3 times in a space of less than 100 years with that having dire consequences for both countries.

The notion of a European Community/Union (and initially it was a steel agreement designed in such a way to mean Germany could never fully rearm again) was more than just some cozy soc.lib pissing in the wind but an actual concept borne out the deaths of millions.

And drove people like Delors.

It was the major issue I never got with the Remain camp. They never truly sold the potential of the EU. Now I have my reasons for believing the 'why' behind that but the reality is the notion of a single body stretching from the western most parts of Portugal all the way over to the Urals mountains and down as far south as Scilcily is simply mindboggling.

And Delors embodied that. You might disagree with him on all sorts and feel the UK was/is better off out of it but the ideal he was chasing, does have a genuine merit. Which even those who most loudly still protest about our departure from the EU never quite seemed to share

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Dec 23 2.23pm
Originally posted by Matov The thing about the EU is that as a concept, especially in light of the devestation wrought over the course of WW2, that this idea of Europe pulling together as a single entity had (and might still have) a genuine idealisitic power behind it. I think it is literally impossible for us in the UK, for a variety of reasons both positive and negative, to comprehend the sheer scale of devestation that both WW1 and WW2 bought to Europe as a whole. Entire cities leveled, millions of people displaced, and economies rendered literally non-existent. By May 1945 France and Germany had been to war with each 3 times in a space of less than 100 years with that having dire consequences for both countries. The notion of a European Community/Union (and initially it was a steel agreement designed in such a way to mean Germany could never fully rearm again) was more than just some cozy soc.lib pissing in the wind but an actual concept borne out the deaths of millions. And drove people like Delors. It was the major issue I never got with the Remain camp. They never truly sold the potential of the EU. Now I have my reasons for believing the 'why' behind that but the reality is the notion of a single body stretching from the western most parts of Portugal all the way over to the Urals mountains and down as far south as Scilcily is simply mindboggling. And Delors embodied that. You might disagree with him on all sorts and feel the UK was/is better off out of it but the ideal he was chasing, does have a genuine merit. Which even those who most loudly still protest about our departure from the EU never quite seemed to share That’s the most hopeful thing I have read here in a long time. If all that’s been missing is the evidence of the benefits then you can be sure they will be served up in abundance when we prepare the ground for a re-entry. Defending the status quo is always a harder sell than offering the golden dawn of an untested new age. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 28 Dec 23 2.23pm

Originally posted by Matov

Entire cities leveled, millions of people displaced, and economies rendered literally non-existent.

By May 1945 France and Germany had been to war with each 3 times in a space of less than 100 years with that having dire consequences for both countries.

And drove people like Delors.

And Delors embodied that. You might disagree with him on all sorts and feel the UK was/is better off out of it but the ideal he was chasing, does have a genuine merit. Which even those who most loudly still protest about our departure from the EU never quite seemed to share

That’s the most hopeful thing I have read here in a long time. If all that’s been missing is the evidence of the benefits then you can be sure they will be served up in abundance when we prepare the ground for a re-entry. Defending the status quo is always a harder sell than offering the golden dawn of an untested new age.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 29 Dec 23 12.59pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The modern EU is not 'the house that Jacques built' it has evolved since his time but he was an architect. An Attlee type of figure, socialist with an eye for detail and getting things done, he is credited with such complex technical challenges as the euro and the single market. Visionary and with the ability to deliver. Edited by steeleye20 (28 Dec 2023 10.33am) the ability to deliver a trainwreck. A social & economic sh1.tshow. He couldn't deliver a Pizza without it being laced with cyanide. Socialists like Delors have a Europe without anybody having babies. But replacing our population with men from the Third World instead. Watch any French or German movie from the 1970s and marvel at what we lost. Edited by PalazioVecchio (29 Dec 2023 1.31pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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south pole 29 Dec 23 12.59pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The modern EU is not 'the house that Jacques built' it has evolved since his time but he was an architect.

An Attlee type of figure, socialist with an eye for detail and getting things done, he is credited with such complex technical challenges as the euro and the single market.

Visionary and with the ability to deliver.

Edited by steeleye20 (28 Dec 2023 10.33am)

the ability to deliver a trainwreck. A social & economic sh1.tshow. He couldn't deliver a Pizza without it being laced with cyanide.

Socialists like Delors have a Europe without anybody having babies. But replacing our population with men from the Third World instead.

Watch any French or German movie from the 1970s and marvel at what we lost.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (29 Dec 2023 1.31pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Matov 29 Dec 23 2.35pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio the ability to deliver a trainwreck. A social & economic sh1.tshow. He couldn't deliver a Pizza without it being laced with cyanide. Socialists like Delors have a Europe without anybody having babies. But replacing our population with men from the Third World instead. Watch any French or German movie from the 1970s and marvel at what we lost. Edited by PalazioVecchio (29 Dec 2023 1.31pm) Which is the issue. And why a potentially federal Europe could be the way forward if the native population is ever to flourish again. Multiculutuarlism dilutes the conventional concept of what nationalism means. Meaning that a white Norwegian has far more in common culturally with a white Hungarian than they will have with a non-white person in their own country. And that is actually celebrated by the Left. That is why they cheer the migrants in. Because their increasing presence dilutes the old nationalist narrative. White Europeans need to start embracing that and begin to value their shared collective values and identity. For the first time, starting to now edge towards perhaps at least considering a rejoin position based around this concept. What we understand as what it means to be British or Irish for example is over. But as Europeans, then potentially a very different story. A greater valuing of our shared European identity might be the saving grace because here in the UK, the very instituions which are meant to define who we are, are the most cucked. For example, our own King makes a great show of proclaiming himself as the defender of ALL faiths. That is not his role and yet he proclaims it. Our military is amongst the most ludicrously woke institutions in the country. Not even truly sure what it means to be British anymore. And our police force will arrest you for refusing to accept that a bloke dressed up in a frock is in fact a woman. Maybe it is time to admit that the game is up, at least on this front? With perhaps the only potential way of saving something is to embrace our shared, and undeniably genetic-based, identity as European, no matter how bitter a pill that is to swallow? Here in the UK we have a Conservative Party who have over-seen mass imigration, refusing to protect our coast-line and who have promoted every kind of attack on the traditional family unit. Nope. Time for some big thinking. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

29 Dec 23 2.35pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the ability to deliver a trainwreck. A social & economic sh1.tshow. He couldn't deliver a Pizza without it being laced with cyanide.

Socialists like Delors have a Europe without anybody having babies. But replacing our population with men from the Third World instead.

Watch any French or German movie from the 1970s and marvel at what we lost.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (29 Dec 2023 1.31pm)

Which is the issue.

And why a potentially federal Europe could be the way forward if the native population is ever to flourish again.

Multiculutuarlism dilutes the conventional concept of what nationalism means. Meaning that a white Norwegian has far more in common culturally with a white Hungarian than they will have with a non-white person in their own country.

And that is actually celebrated by the Left. That is why they cheer the migrants in. Because their increasing presence dilutes the old nationalist narrative.

White Europeans need to start embracing that and begin to value their shared collective values and identity.

For the first time, starting to now edge towards perhaps at least considering a rejoin position based around this concept. What we understand as what it means to be British or Irish for example is over. But as Europeans, then potentially a very different story.

A greater valuing of our shared European identity might be the saving grace because here in the UK, the very instituions which are meant to define who we are, are the most cucked. For example, our own King makes a great show of proclaiming himself as the defender of ALL faiths.

That is not his role and yet he proclaims it. Our military is amongst the most ludicrously woke institutions in the country. Not even truly sure what it means to be British anymore. And our police force will arrest you for refusing to accept that a bloke dressed up in a frock is in fact a woman.

Maybe it is time to admit that the game is up, at least on this front? With perhaps the only potential way of saving something is to embrace our shared, and undeniably genetic-based, identity as European, no matter how bitter a pill that is to swallow?

Here in the UK we have a Conservative Party who have over-seen mass imigration, refusing to protect our coast-line and who have promoted every kind of attack on the traditional family unit.

Nope. Time for some big thinking.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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steeleye20 Croydon 29 Dec 23 4.36pm
It's Sunday morning, bright and clear Lovely flowers decorate a marvelous square Remainers cry and walk away And think about the fateful day Now they wish they'd given Jack Delors More affection and respect The brexiteers dressed in black Toss their euros into an empty pit What's happened to old Jack and their single market. [Chorus] Grocer Jack, Grocer Jack Is it true, what mummy says? You won't come back? Oh no, no Grocer Jack, Grocer Jack Please come back grocer Jack and make our EU town safe again.
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Croydon 29 Dec 23 4.36pm

It's Sunday morning, bright and clear
Lovely flowers decorate a marvelous square
Remainers cry and walk away
And think about the fateful day
Now they wish they'd given Jack Delors
More affection and respect
The brexiteers dressed in black
Toss their euros into an empty pit
What's happened to old Jack and their single market.

[Chorus]
Grocer Jack, Grocer Jack
Is it true, what mummy says?
You won't come back? Oh no, no
Grocer Jack, Grocer Jack

Please come back grocer Jack and make our EU town safe again.

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