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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 07 Nov 23 7.55pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

2-0 down at HT after an embarrassing performance.

Dawdling around, error-prone, 2 absolute give-away goals.

Look like they have sleeping sickness.

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 07 Nov 23 8.08pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

2-0 down at HT after an embarrassing performance.

Dawdling around, error-prone, 2 absolute give-away goals.

Look like they have sleeping sickness.


And it's a team bolstered by the presence of Franca, Ebiowei and Ahamada alongside regulars such as Ozoh, Wells-Morrison and Adamarola.

Basically, the first half has provided more evidence that these lads still have some way to go if they want to paly at the top level.

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 07 Nov 23 8.54pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

This game says it all about just how short these young players are with regards to first team football. Shame to say, Wimbledon, nothing special themselves, but having no trouble dealing with our hopefuls.

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 07 Nov 23 9.01pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

This game says it all about just how short these young players are with regards to first team football. Shame to say, Wimbledon, nothing special themselves, but having no trouble dealing with our hopefuls.


Men against boys, I'm afraid. The lads have had a chastening evening. Let's hope they learn from it and realize just how much more they need to do to achieve regular football in a professional league team (even in Leagues 1 and 2).

 

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pssguy Flag 07 Nov 23 9.40pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

How did Franca play? He has hardly hit the ground running

 

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Pete53 Flag Hassocks 07 Nov 23 10.27pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Just to mention that quite a few other U21 sides came a cropper against "modest" opposition so it's not just our academy players who are still some way off the mark.

 

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Elpis Flag In a pub 08 Nov 23 6.07am Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

The results have been pretty good over a period of time so I don't think there is much to worry about just yet . Young players form does tend to go in and out more than senior players and you only need two or three to be having a down day and this is what happens .
Having said that you wouldn't be being too critical to expect players that have cost fees ,in two or three cases substantial ones to stand out in such company

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 08 Nov 23 10.13am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Correct me if I am wrong, but this was a cup game, right? The rest of what I write is based on that and just guessing by me, so no source, pure conjecture.

This club realizes its limitations. It focuses its attention on where the money is. Thus, the first team play Man Utd at Old Trafford on the Tuesday in a cup game and it is men v boys. We are schooled. More or less the SAME team turns out at the SAME ground against the SAME oppo for the league game just a few days later and we win... and deserve the points.

U21 is different, but it has a league and progress in the league against the other top U21 teams improves those players we want to feed through into the EPL. But cup games v lesser teams?

Commit to that cup and you are stretching resources and risking the fitness of key players. Please note that, while this was a side bolstered by first XI, it was more or less the same team that hammered Spurs U21 away in the league 1-7 just a few days earlier.

Thus, I will personally not rush to judgment on readiness for first team football. This game was treated like an early pre-season friendly. And the positive to take is that (to my knowledge) no player ended the game with an injury.

Job done. Move on.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Nov 23 10.24am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

Just to mention that quite a few other U21 sides came a cropper against "modest" opposition so it's not just our academy players who are still some way off the mark.

In the last week the following clubs U21 teams were defeated by league opposition :

Liverpool, Tottenham, Leicester, Chelsea, Man C, Man Utd.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 08 Nov 23 11.15am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

If our under 21s were beating professional sides it would be nice but it would also be unusual.

Think of what an under 21 side is composed of.....Firstly these are youngsters who are still developing their game and at least another two years away from being men proper.

Then there is the reality that half of the team are probably league one or two in terms of how good they can be.

It's about identifying those other players with a chance of making it and loaning them out to test that.

Some of them can be sold and occasionally a gem will come through to our squad.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Nov 2023 11.16am)

 


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rikz Flag Croydon 08 Nov 23 12.20pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Maybe some will have a future at the top level but there's not one in there that's world class, over the last 30 years any world class player is usually already professional and known about as a teenager. By the age of 21 they're first team players in one of the top leagues in Europe. I can't think of any top players that aren't playing regularly at 21.

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 08 Nov 23 12.30pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Correct me if I am wrong, but this was a cup game, right? The rest of what I write is based on that and just guessing by me, so no source, pure conjecture.

This club realizes its limitations. It focuses its attention on where the money is. Thus, the first team play Man Utd at Old Trafford on the Tuesday in a cup game and it is men v boys. We are schooled. More or less the SAME team turns out at the SAME ground against the SAME oppo for the league game just a few days later and we win... and deserve the points.

U21 is different, but it has a league and progress in the league against the other top U21 teams improves those players we want to feed through into the EPL. But cup games v lesser teams?

Commit to that cup and you are stretching resources and risking the fitness of key players. Please note that, while this was a side bolstered by first XI, it was more or less the same team that hammered Spurs U21 away in the league 1-7 just a few days earlier.

Thus, I will personally not rush to judgment on readiness for first team football. This game was treated like an early pre-season friendly. And the positive to take is that (to my knowledge) no player ended the game with an injury.

Job done. Move on.


But not a knock out match at this stage of the competition. We are in a mini league with 3 League 1 and 2 sides with the top two progressing to the knock-out stage.

From what Mark Bright was saying last might during the game, this is the kind of competition we want our lads to feature in (and presumably progress as far as we can in). They will learn far more playing the likes of Wycombe (lost 1-0 to a last minute dubious penalty), Wimbledon and Stevenage than playing in the U21s league.

We put out a strong side and whilst we had more possession than Wimbledon, we didn't use it very well and we seemed to have been intimidated by Wimbledon's performance in the first 20 minutes. Bright was certainly disappointed by our display - indeed, we only started to look threatening in the final 10 minutes of the match.

 

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