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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 27 Sep 23 11.28am Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Glasgow is to operate the first ‘safe’ illegal drug user facility. Now apart from this being another example of Scotland trying to differentiate itself from the rest of the UK with policies that the UK Government don’t want, on the surface this may be a good idea. I don’t know as I have never taken drugs but some of you on here may well do and therefore your opinions will be more worthy than mine.
However, I have just returned from Vancouver, which portrays a wonderful image in the mind of a beautifully located city surrounded by wonderful countryside. It also promotes safe illegal drug user sites within its environs. The side effects of this are twofold. Firstly it attracts drug users to the city who have nowhere to stay and hence there are numerous doorways with rough sleepers who you can tell are serial drug users and not just out of luck individuals who have fallen on hard times. Secondly the area is plagued with human zombies who just stand and stare into the distance for extraordinary lengths of time. Does the system help them or accelerate their demise?
Perhaps Glasgow is already like Vancouver; I don’t know but I would be interested to hear the views of more experienced contributors.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 27 Sep 23 11.30am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

McMarxism at work, set them free and stop funding them

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 27 Sep 23 1.29pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

The 'war on drugs' is one of the biggest policy failures of recent decades so I won't blame anyone for trying something different.

There is plenty of data to suggest treating drug addiction as a health/care issue, as opposed to a criminal one, is a more effective path - it's not without it's flaws, but our current policy achieves absolutely nothing beyond locking people up for something which a third of the population admit to doing.


 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Sep 23 1.39pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


They have to try something different. The number of drug deaths in Glasgow, Edinburgh and particularly Dundee are shocking.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 27 Sep 23 1.44pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The 'war on drugs' is one of the biggest policy failures of recent decades so I won't blame anyone for trying something different.

There is plenty of data to suggest treating drug addiction as a health/care issue, as opposed to a criminal one, is a more effective path - it's not without it's flaws, but our current policy achieves absolutely nothing beyond locking people up for something which a third of the population admit to doing.


Well quite.

Portugal demonstrated that a different approach can be successful... Unfortunately they've cut back on funding to support it in recent years and, surprise surprise, things are starting to reverse again.

Policy of any kind is no use unless it is properly implemented, funded, monitored and evolved for the long term.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 23 1.48pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The 'war on drugs' is one of the biggest policy failures of recent decades so I won't blame anyone for trying something different.

There is plenty of data to suggest treating drug addiction as a health/care issue, as opposed to a criminal one, is a more effective path - it's not without it's flaws, but our current policy achieves absolutely nothing beyond locking people up for something which a third of the population admit to doing.


Understatement of the year.

California is a disaster zone.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Sep 23 1.51pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Well quite.

Portugal demonstrated that a different approach can be successful... Unfortunately they've cut back on funding to support it in recent years and, surprise surprise, things are starting to reverse again.

Policy of any kind is no use unless it is properly implemented, funded, monitored and evolved for the long term.


Switzerland too.


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Sep 23 2.13pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Well quite.

Portugal demonstrated that a different approach can be successful... Unfortunately they've cut back on funding to support it in recent years and, surprise surprise, things are starting to reverse again.

Policy of any kind is no use unless it is properly implemented, funded, monitored and evolved for the long term.

They did indeed, and agree with rest of post.

Problem with addiction policies and approaches are they are usually formulated and orchestrated through those right at the top and as far away from the working knowledge of the dynamic as possible. Or it's a combination of these two groups which do not align or work well together for an ideal solution.

It always seems to be that no middle ground is covered between very 'liberal' policy and that of a no-nonsense, zero tolerance approach. I've yet to see anything that provides a genuine understanding and empathy toward those suffering, distinction between the likes of these and habitual/recreational users and an effective approach that puts the mitigation (if not removal) of the likes of deaths, crime and ruined lives ahead of ideological inclinations. My understanding was Portugal did originally get slightly closer to this.

Somebody dying a slow death from Heroin and near unable to escape it is very different to somebody who likes a bit of Charlie on the weekend or genuinely enjoys smoking Harry. To criminalise or cater for them all equally is a bit ridiculous when they are very different circumstances.

I would dare to suggest, with no hard evidence to back it, that most who really are suffering from drug addiction would welcome a solution to their awful circumstance and hence it should be treated as a health issue. Unfortunately it isn't, most treatment arrives through very limited funding or charitable causes and too many are left fallen by the wayside and this has ramifications for society.

A lot of drug users arrive in their situations from 'bad choices' yes but nonetheless not many would willingly choose the life above other available options. It's a major social and health issue, as well as legal too, and the attitude toward it always seems half-@rsed and resentful. Whether you're the victim of organised gangs, had drugs ruin and take your life, are the victim of drug related crime or have friends/relatives affected, it's something we should be addressing far more vigorously and intently than we do. There's still too much of a desire to brush it under the carpet.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 27 Sep 23 2.30pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

Glasgow is to operate the first ‘safe’ illegal drug user facility. Now apart from this being another example of Scotland trying to differentiate itself from the rest of the UK with policies that the UK Government don’t want, on the surface this may be a good idea. I don’t know as I have never taken drugs but some of you on here may well do and therefore your opinions will be more worthy than mine.
However, I have just returned from Vancouver, which portrays a wonderful image in the mind of a beautifully located city surrounded by wonderful countryside. It also promotes safe illegal drug user sites within its environs. The side effects of this are twofold. Firstly it attracts drug users to the city who have nowhere to stay and hence there are numerous doorways with rough sleepers who you can tell are serial drug users and not just out of luck individuals who have fallen on hard times. Secondly the area is plagued with human zombies who just stand and stare into the distance for extraordinary lengths of time. Does the system help them or accelerate their demise?
Perhaps Glasgow is already like Vancouver; I don’t know but I would be interested to hear the views of more experienced contributors.

In Glasgow, they would be confused with SNP finances auditors.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 27 Sep 23 2.53pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

They did indeed, and agree with rest of post.

Problem with addiction policies and approaches are they are usually formulated and orchestrated through those right at the top and as far away from the working knowledge of the dynamic as possible. Or it's a combination of these two groups which do not align or work well together for an ideal solution.

It always seems to be that no middle ground is covered between very 'liberal' policy and that of a no-nonsense, zero tolerance approach. I've yet to see anything that provides a genuine understanding and empathy toward those suffering, distinction between the likes of these and habitual/recreational users and an effective approach that puts the mitigation (if not removal) of the likes of deaths, crime and ruined lives ahead of ideological inclinations. My understanding was Portugal did originally get slightly closer to this.

Somebody dying a slow death from Heroin and near unable to escape it is very different to somebody who likes a bit of Charlie on the weekend or genuinely enjoys smoking Harry. To criminalise or cater for them all equally is a bit ridiculous when they are very different circumstances.

I would dare to suggest, with no hard evidence to back it, that most who really are suffering from drug addiction would welcome a solution to their awful circumstance and hence it should be treated as a health issue. Unfortunately it isn't, most treatment arrives through very limited funding or charitable causes and too many are left fallen by the wayside and this has ramifications for society.

A lot of drug users arrive in their situations from 'bad choices' yes but nonetheless not many would willingly choose the life above other available options. It's a major social and health issue, as well as legal too, and the attitude toward it always seems half-@rsed and resentful. Whether you're the victim of organised gangs, had drugs ruin and take your life, are the victim of drug related crime or have friends/relatives affected, it's something we should be addressing far more vigorously and intently than we do. There's still too much of a desire to brush it under the carpet.

Agreed

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 27 Sep 23 3.04pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Publicly execute drug dealers.

 

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Matov Flag 27 Sep 23 8.24pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Publicly execute drug dealers.


I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that this is the only solution. Hanging from lamp-posts and bodies left to rot.

 


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