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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 Jul 23 4.34am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

The (former) nurse charged with murder. The Jury is out and considering its verdict.
I know non-jurors are not privy to all the evidence, but from what I've read about the trial, I'm really perplexed as to how the CPS brought it to trial with what appears to be loads of circumstantial evidence.
No real motives have arisen. And there is a distinct lack of (medical or witness) evidence against the nurse. Was she just in the wrong place/time in a failing children's ward ? Were the mangers just looking for a scapegoat for their own workplace failings.?
Circumstantial evidence appears to be very strong, but that is also so in many miscarriage of justice cases.
I'd be interested to get the result and hear the judges comments in sentencing.
For me, I can't see a conviction being safe, from what I've read.

"Judge Mr Justice James Goss has told the jury to approach their deliberations in a "fair, calm, objective and analytical way".

The jury has heard nine months of evidence, including claims Ms Letby deliberately injected babies with air, force fed others milk and poisoned some with insulin.

Ms Letby has insisted she did not harm any of the babies and has pointed to issues of poor hygiene and staffing levels in the hospital.

She has also accused senior doctors of mounting a conspiracy against her to mask failings in care." (BBC website)

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (11 Jul 2023 4.36am)

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Jul 23 10.42am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

The length of this trial, I don't like circumstantial evidence, the weight of it can become unbalanced and mistakes have been made.

It is an enclosed atmosphere, what appears a struggling not very clean hospital, 9 babies died why can they not show that she did it.

Another case I remember with a nurse convicted some years ago I think in the end she confessed, it led to a tightening of procedures.

Not sure it got through to this place.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Jul 23 10.49am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The length of this trial, I don't like circumstantial evidence, the weight of it can become unbalanced and mistakes have been made.

It is an enclosed atmosphere, what appears a struggling not very clean hospital, 9 babies died why can they not show that she did it.

Another case I remember with a nurse convicted some years ago I think in the end she confessed, it led to a tightening of procedures.

Not sure it got through to this place.

Just remembered as a result CCTV was introduced on the wards.

Not here it seems.


 

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Matov Flag 11 Jul 23 6.46pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

I have no love for the CPS and see it as a hive of no good Soc.Libs BUT I suspect that there must have been a lot of soul-searching before they went ahead with this prosecution because, for an entire slew of reasons, if they don't have a literal smoking gun in this kind of case then it's a horrendous downside, no matter what the outcome in terms of possible appeals in terms of a guilty verdict along with the lady being found innocent and selling her story for a small fortune and making a lot of people in the medical profession look very stupid.

Lets get the verdict first but either way, it is going to get very messy.

 


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martin2412 Flag Living The Dream 11 Jul 23 8.03pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

We've got no idea whether she's guilty or not, but from what I've seen and heard from the media, I can see no firm evidence that she did it, and therefore has to be found not guilty.

If further evidence comes to light then try her again, then hang her.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 11 Jul 23 8.06pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

I have no love for the CPS and see it as a hive of no good Soc.Libs BUT I suspect that there must have been a lot of soul-searching before they went ahead with this prosecution because, for an entire slew of reasons, if they don't have a literal smoking gun in this kind of case then it's a horrendous downside, no matter what the outcome in terms of possible appeals in terms of a guilty verdict along with the lady being found innocent and selling her story for a small fortune and making a lot of people in the medical profession look very stupid.

Lets get the verdict first but either way, it is going to get very messy.

She may be guilty but at what point should the hospital have thought ‘two at a time per visit’ after the first baby death, the second etc. I mean if chavs are dying on your watch and you have an open cheque book what would you actually do. Personally I would try to stop it by having what I said. More eyes, less chance of an individual carrying out these ‘crimes’. Something not right even if she did it!

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 27 Jul 23 5.05pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

She may be guilty but at what point should the hospital have thought ‘two at a time per visit’ after the first baby death, the second etc. I mean if chavs are dying on your watch and you have an open cheque book what would you actually do. Personally I would try to stop it by having what I said. More eyes, less chance of an individual carrying out these ‘crimes’. Something not right even if she did it!

I think the accountants wouldn't have permitted over-staffing like that. Just what I feel, but I might be wrong. Everyone's finances and resources are stretched and to over-staff on a 'hunch' probably wouldn't have been authorised. Hospitals are too dynamic for that approach to have Letby shadowed to be feasible.
Jury now out for the 9th day.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Jul 23 5.24pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I'm not privy to the case but that seems like a hell of a lot of babies dying on someone's shift.

Babies don't die that easily just down to poor hygiene unless they have underlying conditions.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 03 Aug 23 7.21pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

A jury member stood down today for 'personal reasons'.

What pressure was he/she subjected to?

If they find her guilty after all their deliberations, now 3 weeks, it will not be the end of the matter.


 

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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Aug 23 7.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

A jury member stood down today for 'personal reasons'.

What pressure was he/she subjected to?

If they find her guilty after all their deliberations, now 3 weeks, it will not be the end of the matter.


How long can something like this go on.

Sounds like a time limit should be set.....they have reached an impasse and someone is bailing.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 Aug 23 7.40pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

A jury member stood down today for 'personal reasons'.

What pressure was he/she subjected to?

If they find her guilty after all their deliberations, now 3 weeks, it will not be the end of the matter.


They maybe ill or a family member may be ill. This has been a long trial it's hardly surprising, when I worked someone was off sick each week.

It must also be quite harrowing looking at the evidence around dead babies I'm not sure I could sit on a jury dealing with that.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Aug 23 9.33pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

They maybe ill or a family member may be ill. This has been a long trial it's hardly surprising, when I worked someone was off sick each week.

It must also be quite harrowing looking at the evidence around dead babies I'm not sure I could sit on a jury dealing with that.

Quite.

Very dark.

 


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