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PatrickA Flag London 26 Dec 22 7.33pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I will try and make this a considered post rather than an angry rant, but I am having my doubts about Vieira’s judgement over some aspects of our play.
I’m not calling for his head and like him as person and acknowledge he is trying to stick to certain football principles.
However, in my view the way we are setting up is not getting the best of our resources.
The very talented Eze and Olise appear to be luxury players as there is nobody to win the ball for them and they drift aimlessly around midfield having no influence on the game.
This results with us being dominated in midfield and if Doucoure is pressed in deep midfield we are unable to start any moves.
The only outlet is the long pass from Anderson.
This means Zaha is isolated when playing down the middle chasing lost causes and having zero impact on proceedings.
When it’s clear the tactics are not working (as in today and v Forest) I can’t understand why Vieira does not react and make changes.
If the players are not following instructions change them for those who will follow them.
If the players are not capable of performing in line with the tactics, change the tactics to suit them.
It doesn’t seem like rocket science.

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 26 Dec 22 7.41pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

I will try and make this a considered post rather than an angry rant, but I am having my doubts about Vieira’s judgement over some aspects of our play.
I’m not calling for his head and like him as person and acknowledge he is trying to stick to certain football principles.
However, in my view the way we are setting up is not getting the best of our resources.
The very talented Eze and Olise appear to be luxury players as there is nobody to win the ball for them and they drift aimlessly around midfield having no influence on the game.
This results with us being dominated in midfield and if Doucoure is pressed in deep midfield we are unable to start any moves.
The only outlet is the long pass from Anderson.
This means Zaha is isolated when playing down the middle chasing lost causes and having zero impact on proceedings.
When it’s clear the tactics are not working (as in today and v Forest) I can’t understand why Vieira does not react and make changes.
If the players are not following instructions change them for those who will follow them.
If the players are not capable of performing in line with the tactics, change the tactics to suit them.
It doesn’t seem like rocket science.

I can think of two possibilities: he's being told to play those players come what may
Or:
He's making his own choices and despite repeated evidence that certain combinations of players doesn't work he still sticks with it, which suggests he isn't tactically astute

 

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stancummins Flag 26 Dec 22 9.42pm Send a Private Message to stancummins Add stancummins as a friend

the ref was a cnut,was Mitchels challenge any worse than Coefals for west ham that i have just seen and only get a yellow. Tompkins second yellow was a joke and not even a foul and i know for a fact that the Fulham dugout were convinced that their goal was going to be chalked out as he headed the ball onto his hand.But none of that will be debated because people will quite rightly focus on the totally gutless performance we put in , no effort, no bottle in 50 50 challenges, terrible body language from the very first minute with heads down,slouching shoulders as if they didnt want to be there .With a manager who had the reputation PV had as player ,to be a leader and warrior we had no one today.No matter how many players (and there is plenty of talent in the squad) feel they are square pegs in round holes , the minimum that fans would expect is some effort,passion and pride in their performance none of which was forthcoming from any player today

 

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cROYdonrogers Flag Leamington Spa 26 Dec 22 9.50pm Send a Private Message to cROYdonrogers Add cROYdonrogers as a friend

What has Hughes got to do to get a start alongside Doucoure. You could drop Schlupp,Ayew or one of the two luxury players.

 

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EddieMac Flag 26 Dec 22 10.51pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by cROYdonrogers

What has Hughes got to do to get a start alongside Doucoure. You could drop Schlupp,Ayew or one of the two luxury players.

I agree. Anyone is better than Schlupp. He is truly awful. Ayew is currently our best player out of the ones you mentioned.

 

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YT Flag Oxford 26 Dec 22 10.57pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Surely everyone has now learnt that in our present state we are simply not good enough...in fact we aren't 'good' in any respect.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Dec 22 11.18pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Surely everyone has now learnt that in our present state we are simply not good enough...in fact we aren't 'good' in any respect.

Last season McArthur played about 20 games,Gallagher about 40 games and Kouyate about 30 games.They all made positive contributions.
Our midfield 'Engine room' is vastly weakened by their absence.

We signed Doucoure in the summer but the other signings were a backup goalkeeper, Richards who has been injured and an inexperienced Ebiowei.

Our performances have been dire in our last 2 games, another defeat on the back of an abject performance at Bournemouth and HOL will be at its splenetic worst.

 

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Brinscalleagle2 Flag Brinscall 26 Dec 22 11.23pm Send a Private Message to Brinscalleagle2 Add Brinscalleagle2 as a friend

To me the lessons learnt are that when the manager senses an opportunity to win he plays Wilf down the middle and Olise and Eze in attacking midfield positions. This has not proved successful. On more than on occasion this combination has shown that we get overrun in midfield and we fail to control the game. When we play sides that our chances of winning are low the manager plays with Wilf on the wing and a centre forward. This is then coupled with a more conservative midfield. This formation has brought about a modicum of success. Lesson here is don’t play Wilf down the middle with Olise and Eze as attacking midfielders.
Another lesson is we as a squad lack passing skills. My observation is we pass too casually and only in the general direction of a team member. The good teams pass to players and in a forward direction. The lesson learnt is our players are not top quality passers of the ball and poor passes tend to be the reasons for our defeats.
The other lesson learnt is that our squad is still desperately in need of overhaul. Too much dead wood needing removal and replacing by better more youthful quality players who can pass the ball which is well known by the club but they should get on and do something about it.

Having said that having said that we ain’t that bad over a season of games but we do have one or three shockers. Being Palace we will probably thrash Bournemouth in our next game. COYP

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 26 Dec 22 11.30pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Last season McArthur played about 20 games,Gallagher about 40 games and Kouyate about 30 games.They all made positive contributions.
Our midfield 'Engine room' is vastly weakened by their absence.

We signed Doucoure in the summer but the other signings were a backup goalkeeper, Richards who has been injured and an inexperienced Ebiowei.

Our performances have been dire in our last 2 games, another defeat on the back of an abject performance at Bournemouth and HOL will be at its splenetic worst.

Yep agree with all of that.

Tomkins was woeful today. Was a great signing for us IMHO and has served the club well. By the same token the same could be said about the likes of Ian Wright, however I have no great desire to see him play as the only option following a single suspension.

On top of that, we only had one recognisable midfielder in midfield, no striker on the pitch and nothing to offer off the bench.

We’ve some great players in the squad but can’t even make an obvious starting XI. Our lack of depth is looking likely to be our downfall and now the starting team is in doubt.
I also anticipate that no further funds will be available.

Today was a catastrophe start to finish, and highly unlikely to repeat, however you can’t help but feel it really exposed our precarious position in terms of playing staff.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Dec 22 11.52pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Yep agree with all of that.

Tomkins was woeful today. Was a great signing for us IMHO and has served the club well. By the same token the same could be said about the likes of Ian Wright, however I have no great desire to see him play as the only option following a single suspension.

On top of that, we only had one recognisable midfielder in midfield, no striker on the pitch and nothing to offer off the bench.

We’ve some great players in the squad but can’t even make an obvious starting XI. Our lack of depth is looking likely to be our downfall and now the starting team is in doubt.
I also anticipate that no further funds will be available.

Today was a catastrophe start to finish, and highly unlikely to repeat, however you can’t help but feel it really exposed our precarious position in terms of playing staff.

We lose one of our central defenders and we are reliant on Tomkins, Richards (Who has been out injured) and perhaps Ward, who is a right-back, to fill that gap.Heaven help us if both Andersen and Guehi are unable to play !

Fulham have Ream,Diop, Adarabioyo and Duffy, Everton have Tarkowski,Coady,Holgate,Mina,Godfrey,Keane as options, W.Ham have Dawson,Ogbonna,Aguerd,Zouma,Kehrer as options etc etc etc.
We are sadly lacking in depth in this vital area of the pitch.

 

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kennybrowns leftfoot Flag Reigate 27 Dec 22 12.56am Send a Private Message to kennybrowns leftfoot Add kennybrowns leftfoot as a friend

Originally posted by EddieMac

I agree. Anyone is better than Schlupp. He is truly awful. Ayew is currently our best player out of the ones you mentioned.

Ayew better than Eze or Olise??.. Wow... I'm lost for words at that...

Edited by kennybrowns leftfoot (27 Dec 2022 12.57am)

 


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thai-eagle Flag chiang mai 27 Dec 22 1.44am Send a Private Message to thai-eagle Add thai-eagle as a friend

Is Vieira too nice? Well-liked by everybody and going to the Arsenal(?) Christmas party!! The players think they are stars playing on the same stage as DeBruyne and Salah. Seeing them on Palace TV cooking food for the boss in Turkey, two players appear in a PL promotion film as Santa Claus.
We are Crystal Palace, the underdog team that fight for every cm on the pitch, who gives the fans belief and joy and excitement. Yesterday we played like a pub team (no offence) and the ref was at same level, but we would probably have lost even if Fulham had two players sent off.
One last question> How could the manager send out the same players for 2nd half after that performance?

 

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