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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Jun 22 8.01am | |
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I couldn't find an appropriate thread. After decades of centralising healthcare services it now looks like the NHS realise that local is better. Waiting lists are coming down although not quick enough. As the writer points out one of the many delays is caused by the conflict between routine and emergency operations. Setting up units in shopping centres or supermarkets away from the hospital allows routine procedures to be done away from the pressures of emergency healthcare. Often it's not about staff but operating theatres a routine procedure is bumped for an emergency operation (quite right) leaving the medical staff and patient twiddling their thumbs. Having multiple smaller hubs is the model to go for many procedures. The next task they need to address is elderly bed blockers who should actually be in nursing homes rather than hospital beds. None of this is new pre 1970's this is how the NHS operated, cottage hospitals and nursing homes for people who need to have an eye kept on them until they are fit enough to be discharged.
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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 12 Jun 22 8.36am | |
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one of the biggest issues is people using A&E as a drop in doctors.
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cryrst The garden of England 12 Jun 22 8.42am | |
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Originally posted by kingdowieonthewall
one of the biggest issues is people using A&E as a drop in doctors. Tbh atm it’s the only way you can see a doctor. The local quacks seem to think covid is still rife and they don’t have to open fully. A joke really. I’ve got an abscess that burst and have an appointment at the wound clinic next Friday ! Did get antibiotics from
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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Jun 22 8.45am | |
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Yup we don't have enough A&E departments. Where I live we have a local minor injuries clinic we need more of them, local being the key word. Tip. If you are not in your local area and and suffer an injury and need non urgent help ask a builder / trademan. They always seem to know the best places to go to.
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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Jun 22 8.49am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Tbh atm it’s the only way you can see a doctor. The local quacks seem to think covid is still rife and they don’t have to open fully. A joke really. I’ve got an abscess that burst and have an appointment at the wound clinic next Friday ! Did get antibiotics from We simply don't have enough GPs this isn't going to turn around quickly probably at least another 5-10 years to train them. In the meantime the best the NHS can do is to use their resources as best as possible. Senior nurses dealing with cuts and bruises and the like. We should also have drunk tanks manned by police and medical staff and fine the individuals heavily.
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cryrst The garden of England 12 Jun 22 12.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
We simply don't have enough GPs this isn't going to turn around quickly probably at least another 5-10 years to train them. In the meantime the best the NHS can do is to use their resources as best as possible. Senior nurses dealing with cuts and bruises and the like. We should also have drunk tanks manned by police and medical staff and fine the individuals heavily. Your spot on with drunk tanks. I would bet at least 30% of hospital admissions are drink or drug related. Whether primary or secondary causes.
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BlueJay UK 12 Jun 22 1.12pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Your spot on with drunk tanks. I would bet at least 30% of hospital admissions are drink or drug related. Whether primary or secondary causes. Some very rightminded ideas here. 'Whatever works' in my view, whether that's utilising shopping centres and the like, or taking a more forthright approach to drunks clogging up A&E of a weekend.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Jun 22 1.37pm | |
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Perhaps an NHS presence at those 24hour petrol stations. Probably quite beneficial for those injured in road incidents, and you can get food and drink while you wait to be seen.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jun 22 3.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
We simply don't have enough GPs this isn't going to turn around quickly probably at least another 5-10 years to train them. In the meantime the best the NHS can do is to use their resources as best as possible. Senior nurses dealing with cuts and bruises and the like. We should also have drunk tanks manned by police and medical staff and fine the individuals heavily. My wife is a nurse. She already does a lot more than deal with cuts and bruises. They are now generally dealt with by HCAs (health care assistants). Senior nurses run wards and departments. My wife carries out procedures that only a few years ago would have been done by a doctor. What is not generally known is the number of private clinics being established which get the bulk of their work via NHS contracts. These tend to specialise in common problems which have long waiting lists. One here deals exclusively with cataracts and offers a maximum 2 week appointment for treatment from referral. Another large local surgery is expanding and building an operating theatre on site capable of quite significant surgery. They already have a small one. None of this will address the staffing issues, though, so we will need to continue to recruit heavily from overseas for the foreseeable future. Bed blocking has been a problem for decades and for which there is no quick, easy or cheap solution. A huge building programme is needed and, if to be done by the private sector, the financial incentives need to be in place. Too often local authorities squeeze down the rates they pay to the point where it is uneconomic for care homes to accept funded clients, even if they have the space. Add to that the length of time all the admin takes and this is not a simple issue. If the NHS start to run "cottage" hospitals again, for rehab, or recovery for the elderly prior to returning home, then again a huge building programme is required which will take many years, and a lot of money, to arrive. Same if local authorities run their own care homes again. They were stopped, and the homes sold to the private sector, when it became apparent that it cost more to place a client in their own homes than in a private one. Unions got their members higher pay in council run homes, thus they were always fully staffed. Care work is poorly paid, and the results are obvious.
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Spiderman Horsham 12 Jun 22 4.23pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Tbh atm it’s the only way you can see a doctor. The local quacks seem to think covid is still rife and they don’t have to open fully. A joke really. I’ve got an abscess that burst and have an appointment at the wound clinic next Friday ! Did get antibiotics from We are obviously very lucky as never have a problem getting GP appointment. Although my wife has been waiting several months for an outpatient appointment to have a benign tumour removed,
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stevethenorm Watton, Norfolk 12 Jun 22 4.43pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Your spot on with drunk tanks. I would bet at least 30% of hospital admissions are drink or drug related. Whether primary or secondary causes. You've lost your bet then. I work at Queens hospital in Romford and its about 1 in 30 people coming into A&E that is drink or drug related. The doctors surgery's are the problem as people cant get appointments with there doctor and are deliberately being told to go to A&E for anything to make the surgery's figures look better. Also, most doctors dont just stay at their surgery as they get massive financial incentives to do doctor training and bank hours at other hospitals and clinics. Edited by stevethenorm (12 Jun 2022 4.54pm)
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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Jun 22 5.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Perhaps an NHS presence at those 24hour petrol stations. Probably quite beneficial for those injured in road incidents, and you can get food and drink while you wait to be seen. If their looking for large numbers of people going nowhere they could always try the airports.
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