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YT Oxford 19 May 22 8.43am | |
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I watched BBC Breakfast this morning for about 4 minutes (yes I know; sorry) and heard 3 different people say that penalty shootouts were "a lottery" (as yet another cup final fails to produce a winner after extra time). Perhaps a big pedantry alert is required here, but it really annoys me when this is said, yet it's one of those phrases that has become 'implied knowledge'. A shootout is a test of sporting ability just like any other. Taking the example of last night, one team drilled their five penalties home without a stutter, whereas the other team didn't. The one player who missed ran up to the ball with a complete absence of conviction before duly scuffing a weak shot straight at the keeper. Why was that "a lottery"; it was one team performing better than the other team. 'Lottery' is the wrong word in any case. A lottery requires multiple entrants and minimal numbers of winners. A shootout is one v one. Edited by YT (19 May 2022 8.45am)
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HeathMan Purley 19 May 22 8.51am | |
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Agree
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 19 May 22 9.08am | |
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Originally posted by YT
I watched BBC Breakfast this morning for about 4 minutes (yes I know; sorry) and heard 3 different people say that penalty shootouts were "a lottery" (as yet another cup final fails to produce a winner after extra time). Perhaps a big pedantry alert is required here, but it really annoys me when this is said, yet it's one of those phrases that has become 'implied knowledge'. A shootout is a test of sporting ability just like any other. Taking the example of last night, one team drilled their five penalties home without a stutter, whereas the other team didn't. The one player who missed ran up to the ball with a complete absence of conviction before duly scuffing a weak shot straight at the keeper. Why was that "a lottery"; it was one team performing better than the other team. 'Lottery' is the wrong word in any case. A lottery requires multiple entrants and minimal numbers of winners. A shootout is one v one. Edited by YT (19 May 2022 8.45am) Yep! I would be inclined to suggest that this saying is based upon the It would be my personal expectation of them to do so however it ignores several variables: 1. The quality of GKs these days? I actually find it shocking how often players are both treated and act as though taking a pen in a shootout was a completely unforeseeable circumstance. I think it is more mental than technical but even at that juncture the onus should surely be on a manager to identify those best placed to take one considering the factors.
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MrRobbo Chaldon 19 May 22 9.20am | |
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And to put your pen away you need to have both elements locked. The keepers sniff out indecision a mile away. and are good enough to get to most pens if not perfectly struck. I'll always remember an interview with Shearer about pens. His POV was that if he executed his pen properly (top corner) no keeper would get it. So instead of letting indecision creep in, he always went there. Then the only thing he had to nail was hitting the spot, and not worry about what way he thought the keeper might dive.
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 19 May 22 9.30am | |
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It'll be nice to have at least half of Scotland not now revelling in us losing to Germany in penalty shoot outs. People in glass houses and all that.....
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YT Oxford 19 May 22 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by mezzer
It'll be nice to have at least half of Scotland not now revelling in us losing to Germany in penalty shoot outs. People in glass houses and all that..... Or to Italy. Or indeed Portugal. In fact England last lost a shootout to Germany (their 2nd such loss) 26 years ago. Since then, they've lost 2 to Italy and 2 to Portugal. Edited by YT (19 May 2022 10.12am)
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eaglesdare 19 May 22 10.28am | |
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the minute I seen Ramsey in the shootout I knew he didint look confident! as someone has said keepers can sniff someone who is not confident!
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 19 May 22 10.59am | |
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Originally posted by YT
Or to Italy. Or indeed Portugal. In fact England last lost a shootout to Germany (their 2nd such loss) 26 years ago. Since then, they've lost 2 to Italy and 2 to Portugal. Edited by YT (19 May 2022 10.12am) Which is the real reason people voted Leave
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A89M Streatham 19 May 22 11.51am | |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
And to put your pen away you need to have both elements locked. The keepers sniff out indecision a mile away. and are good enough to get to most pens if not perfectly struck. I'll always remember an interview with Shearer about pens. His POV was that if he executed his pen properly (top corner) no keeper would get it. So instead of letting indecision creep in, he always went there. Then the only thing he had to nail was hitting the spot, and not worry about what way he thought the keeper might dive. Exactly. Kane seems to have followed suit with this - One of the best I've seen at hitting side netting consistently, I bet he practices these every week, if not daily. 'Lottery' is just an excuse for the team who loses. Another one that annoys me is - 'You cannot replicate the atmosphere' and whilst this is true, you can practice your technique over and over again until it becomes natural. Small margins make the difference in these tense situations.
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YT Oxford 19 May 22 12.32pm | |
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Originally posted by A89M
Exactly. Kane seems to have followed suit with this - One of the best I've seen at hitting side netting consistently, I bet he practices these every week, if not daily. 'Lottery' is just an excuse for the team who loses. Another one that annoys me is - 'You cannot replicate the atmosphere' and whilst this is true, you can practice your technique over and over again until it becomes natural. Small margins make the difference in these tense situations. Quite, and true of any and every sport.
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CrazyBadger Ware 19 May 22 12.36pm | |
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I agree generally. A Penalty is a different skill to the rest of the game, it's about nerve, clarity of thought and technique. A perfect pen is almost impossible to Save. The onus is on the attacker to score; the keeper is not expected to Save anything. I'm not convinced that penalties are a just way to end a tournament, but I haven't got a better solution than Penalties. I quite like the idea that Extra time should begin with a loss of a player on each side, then every 5 mins each team loses another player until someone scores.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 19 May 22 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by CrazyBadger
I agree generally. A Penalty is a different skill to the rest of the game, it's about nerve, clarity of thought and technique. A perfect pen is almost impossible to Save. The onus is on the attacker to score; the keeper is not expected to Save anything. I'm not convinced that penalties are a just way to end a tournament, but I haven't got a better solution than Penalties. I quite like the idea that Extra time should begin with a loss of a player on each side, then every 5 mins each team loses another player until someone scores. But you could end up with just Calvin Andrew on one team and Wayne Andrews on the other, in which case the duration of the match would span seasons let alone hours.
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