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cryrst The garden of England 22 Jan 22 10.46am
Well the sums are out and hmg of whichever colour will be £40 billion light annually with less vehicle tax and fuel duty. Here's the kicker. Pay per mile on electric is coming. Environment...don't make me laugh !
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The garden of England 22 Jan 22 10.46am

Well the sums are out and hmg of whichever colour will be
£40 billion light annually with less vehicle tax and fuel duty.
Here's the kicker. Pay per mile on electric is coming.
Environment...don't make me laugh !

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 22 Jan 22 10.59am
Has anyone got one of these things? Personally, you won't prise me away from my 6 litre,12 cylinder, twin turbo, petrol guzzling beast. I love my car and I'm too old now to change my view of this crazy world we live in. But, I hope the Palace beat Liverpool tomorrow! Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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Has anyone got one of these things?

Personally, you won't prise me away from my 6 litre,12 cylinder, twin turbo, petrol guzzling beast. I love my car and I'm too old now to change my view of this crazy world we live in.

But, I hope the Palace beat Liverpool tomorrow!

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Jan 22 6.32am
the most successful electric vehicle (in the UK) has been and gone. The electric milk float. Fresh milk delivered to your doorstep every day, using re-usable glass bottles. What killed it was a combination of supermarkets under-cutting, longer life milk and a change in housing stock (from houses with doorsteps to high-rise/multi-occupancy) Electric seemed like the way to go with private vehicles, but massive fluctuations in the economies of the world, coupled with uncertain energy costs/supply, kind of pulled the rug from under it. Plus battery life is currently still some way short of being practical. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Jan 2022 1.06pm) Attachment: milk_float.jpg (164.29Kb) I disengage, I turn the page.
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the most successful electric vehicle (in the UK) has been and gone.
The electric milk float.
Fresh milk delivered to your doorstep every day, using re-usable glass bottles.
What killed it was a combination of supermarkets under-cutting, longer life milk and a change in housing stock (from houses with doorsteps to high-rise/multi-occupancy)
Electric seemed like the way to go with private vehicles, but massive fluctuations in the economies of the world, coupled with uncertain energy costs/supply, kind of pulled the rug from under it.
Plus battery life is currently still some way short of being practical.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Jan 2022 1.06pm)

Attachment: milk_float.jpg (164.29Kb)

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cryrst The garden of England 23 Jan 22 7.01am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly the most successful electric vehicle (in the UK) has been and gone. The electric milk float. Fresh milk delivered to your doorstep every day, using re-usable glass bottles. What killed it was a combination of supermarkets under-cutting, longer life milk and a change in housing stock (from houses with doorsteps to high-rise) Electric seemed like the way to go with private vehicles, but massive fluctuations in the economies of the world, coupled with uncertain energy costs/supply, kind of pulled the rug from under it. Plus battery life is currently still some way short of being practical. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Jan 2022 6.51am) Some 40 odd years ago I worked on Saturdays for a milkman. Snow,rain,wind. Bloody cold and wet and tired.
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The garden of England 23 Jan 22 7.01am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

the most successful electric vehicle (in the UK) has been and gone.
The electric milk float.
Fresh milk delivered to your doorstep every day, using re-usable glass bottles.
What killed it was a combination of supermarkets under-cutting, longer life milk and a change in housing stock (from houses with doorsteps to high-rise)
Electric seemed like the way to go with private vehicles, but massive fluctuations in the economies of the world, coupled with uncertain energy costs/supply, kind of pulled the rug from under it.
Plus battery life is currently still some way short of being practical.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Jan 2022 6.51am)

Some 40 odd years ago I worked on Saturdays for a milkman.
Snow,rain,wind. Bloody cold and wet and tired.

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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Jan 22 9.37am
Genghis Khan is very keen on pay per mile so presumably this means the government / TFL will know where you are all the time. I don't think the public will accept that. The petrol tax will have to be replaced by something and charging those who use the roads most seems fair but tracking their every movement not. Edited by Badger11 (23 Jan 2022 9.37am) One more point
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Genghis Khan is very keen on pay per mile so presumably this means the government / TFL will know where you are all the time. I don't think the public will accept that.

The petrol tax will have to be replaced by something and charging those who use the roads most seems fair but tracking their every movement not.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Jan 2022 9.37am)

One more point

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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 23 Jan 22 10.22am
Originally posted by cryrst Some 40 odd years ago I worked on Saturdays for a milkman. Snow,rain,wind. Bloody cold and wet and tired. The milkman on our estate in Wallington, during the late 50s/early 60s used to let us ride on the back of his electric cart. At least the Express Dairy one did. The United Dairies bloke used to chase us off. Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.
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Midhurst 23 Jan 22 10.22am

Originally posted by cryrst

Some 40 odd years ago I worked on Saturdays for a milkman.
Snow,rain,wind. Bloody cold and wet and tired.

The milkman on our estate in Wallington, during the late 50s/early 60s used to let us ride on the back of his electric cart. At least the Express Dairy one did. The United Dairies bloke used to chase us off.

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

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Fatherken 23 Jan 22 10.27am
if you have a mobile phone you can be tracked whenever by whoever if they won't so charging for road use will make no differences
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if you have a mobile phone you can be tracked whenever by whoever if they won't
so charging for road use will make no differences

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Jan 22 11.58am
electric vehicles have been mooted for decades as an environmentally-friendlier solution to petrol engines. Deficiencies are now becoming obvious. Charging points, Long periods fo charging required, how to pay to charge your car, batteries still massively under-developed, AA and garages lacking skilled staff to repair electric vehicles,..etc, etc. My thoughts are not to jump to electric just yet. Maybe a hybrid is a better idea, but a full electric vehicle with sufficient capability and back-up is still probably a decade away. Buying electric now, is just making yourself a guinea pig, with all the hassle that will entail. I disengage, I turn the page.
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electric vehicles have been mooted for decades as an environmentally-friendlier solution to petrol engines. Deficiencies are now becoming obvious. Charging points, Long periods fo charging required, how to pay to charge your car, batteries still massively under-developed, AA and garages lacking skilled staff to repair electric vehicles,..etc, etc.

My thoughts are not to jump to electric just yet. Maybe a hybrid is a better idea, but a full electric vehicle with sufficient capability and back-up is still probably a decade away. Buying electric now, is just making yourself a guinea pig, with all the hassle that will entail.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Jan 22 12.04pm
The best way of switching to electric vehicles, is to cut small culverts in the centre of lanes and install heavy duty electric cabling to power all vehicles as they drive. If that were to happen, my car would be a McLaren, like the one attached Attachment: McLaren.jpg (739.20Kb) I disengage, I turn the page.
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The best way of switching to electric vehicles, is to cut small culverts in the centre of lanes and install heavy duty electric cabling to power all vehicles as they drive.

If that were to happen, my car would be a McLaren, like the one attached

Attachment: McLaren.jpg (739.20Kb)

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YT Oxford 23 Jan 22 12.18pm
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer The milkman on our estate in Wallington, during the late 50s/early 60s used to let us ride on the back of his electric cart. At least the Express Dairy one did. The United Dairies bloke used to chase us off. Typical 'United'! Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 23 Jan 22 12.18pm

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Typical 'United'!

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Jan 22 12.22pm
Originally posted by YT Typical 'United'! But only in extra time. One more point
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Originally posted by YT

Typical 'United'!

But only in extra time.

One more point

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Jan 22 1.03pm
Just as a slight aside, about the Milky. When i was working the bins (early 1990's), we got Christmas tips of around £600 each (over the 3 weeks) The postman got under £100 The Milkman got upwards of £3K in Christmas tips. tax free. Probably a lot more if he was working in an affluent area. The milk floats batteries were huge. They fitted underneath the flatbed at the back and were the size of several very large suitcases. Electric was perfect for slow-speed start-stopping, with relatively low mileage per day. And carrying the weight of 1 adult, (1 school child) and up to 150 crates of milk. And on-charge from around 2pm to 5am the next day (15 hours) Driving from London to (anywhere else) in the country in a current electric vehicle, would require planned charging stops and perhaps the expense of additional meals whilst charging and even overnight stops. Doesn't sound much fun to me Edited by Forest Hillbilly (24 Jan 2022 5.00am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Just as a slight aside, about the Milky.
When i was working the bins (early 1990's), we got Christmas tips of around £600 each (over the 3 weeks)
The postman got under £100

The Milkman got upwards of £3K in Christmas tips. tax free. Probably a lot more if he was working in an affluent area.

The milk floats batteries were huge. They fitted underneath the flatbed at the back and were the size of several very large suitcases. Electric was perfect for slow-speed start-stopping, with relatively low mileage per day. And carrying the weight of 1 adult, (1 school child) and up to 150 crates of milk. And on-charge from around 2pm to 5am the next day (15 hours)

Driving from London to (anywhere else) in the country in a current electric vehicle, would require planned charging stops and perhaps the expense of additional meals whilst charging and even overnight stops. Doesn't sound much fun to me

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (24 Jan 2022 5.00am)

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