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Pascal Treacly 17 Jan 22 4.23pm | |
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We live in a democracy (long may it remains so) but we seem to have a conundrum that I find difficult to get my head around. A fundamental part of our democratic structure is the rule of law which protects the individual from being damned until the offence for which he is suspected has been properly investigated and the evidence assessed in a court of law and a judgement arrived at. Then, and only then, if the judgement is against him, does the individual become guilty. In the UK we also have the oddity that despite being a democracy our head of state is not democratically elected. Although our head of state exists on the broad albeit informal agreement of the people it cannot be said to be democratic unless it is elected. So Prince Andrew, in terms of our democratic structure is at present innocent (the rule of law) but his family (the undemocratic ‘head of state’) are in effect ignoring the rule of law by its treatment of him. Is the royal family wrong by taking punitive action against Andrew? Under the democratic rule of law he is innocent? Do we have an undemocratic institution ignoring the democratic rule of law?
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Jan 22 4.54pm | |
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Whether or not he's guilty of any crime, the Queen is still his mother and, essentially, his boss. It's up to her how she judges his behaviour as "becoming for a Royal" or not. Basically, I suspect the boss is unhappy with what he's been up to and he's got a right Royal dressing down. It doesn't mean he's legally guilty or innocent of any particular crime.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 17 Jan 22 5.08pm | |
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Maybe she will be called as a witness for the prosecution
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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 17 Jan 22 5.22pm | |
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He doesn't have to be proven guilty for him to be a reputational risk (i.e. bad news) for the Royals Plc. They are distancing themselves from him. Probably the best thing for him too, as he can concentrate on defending himself or paying off his accuser without the encumbrance of titles and honours. It may also be easier for him to fade away from the limelight if things don't go well.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 17 Jan 22 5.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
He doesn't have to be proven guilty for him to be a reputational risk (i.e. bad news) for the Royals Plc. They are distancing themselves from him. Probably the best thing for him too, as he can concentrate on defending himself or paying off his accuser without the encumbrance of titles and honours. It may also be easier for him to fade away from the limelight if things don't go well. The problem as well is if things are divulged in the civil case, he could be arrested by the authority's on a criminal charge, you can understand now how he wasn't in any of Princess Beatrice's offical wedding photographs
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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 17 Jan 22 8.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
He doesn't have to be proven guilty for him to be a reputational risk (i.e. bad news) for the Royals Plc. They are distancing themselves from him. Probably the best thing for him too, as he can concentrate on defending himself or paying off his accuser without the encumbrance of titles and honours. It may also be easier for him to fade away from the limelight if things don't go well. I hear he might go and teach somewhere in the jungle in Cambodia- no idea why.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Jan 22 9.08am | |
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Part of "the gig economy". Sacked, and with no Workers Rights to back any claim for Unfair Dismissal. $hlt happens
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YT Oxford 18 Jan 22 10.55am | |
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Prince Andrew isn't merely "innocent". He - like me and millions of other people - has not been charged with any crime whatsoever in any country whatsoever.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 18 Jan 22 11.00am | |
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Originally posted by YT
Prince Andrew isn't merely "innocent". He - like me and millions of other people - has not been charged with any crime whatsoever in any country whatsoever. Give it another 6/8 Months
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Stirlingsays 18 Jan 22 11.43am | |
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Originally posted by Pascal Treacly
We live in a democracy (long may it remains so) but we seem to have a conundrum that I find difficult to get my head around. A fundamental part of our democratic structure is the rule of law which protects the individual from being damned until the offence for which he is suspected has been properly investigated and the evidence assessed in a court of law and a judgement arrived at. Then, and only then, if the judgement is against him, does the individual become guilty. In the UK we also have the oddity that despite being a democracy our head of state is not democratically elected. Although our head of state exists on the broad albeit informal agreement of the people it cannot be said to be democratic unless it is elected. So Prince Andrew, in terms of our democratic structure is at present innocent (the rule of law) but his family (the undemocratic ‘head of state’) are in effect ignoring the rule of law by its treatment of him. Is the royal family wrong by taking punitive action against Andrew? Under the democratic rule of law he is innocent? Do we have an undemocratic institution ignoring the democratic rule of law? Democracy and the rule of law have little to do with each other. Indeed, most of the decision makers that affect your life aren't democratically elected. Democracy, like genuine freedom is mostly a myth.
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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 18 Jan 22 11.52am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Democracy and the rule of law have little to do with each other. Indeed, most of the decision makers that affect your life aren't democratically elected. Democracy, like genuine freedom is mostly a myth. Sad, But True
“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn |
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Jan 22 1.24pm | |
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Another "trial by media". Cliff Richard Struck it Lucky with a police payout. Colin Stag and Chris Jefferies endured much more media harassment (google them), and (got comparatively) diddly-squat. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Jan 2022 1.25pm)
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