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HKOwen Hong Kong 26 Sep 21 10.31am
Thank you for all your pronouncements. Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum. That is the sort of honest opinion that will help reverse the red wall results. Ed Miliband is on now, presumably giving a summary of how to avoid inheritance tax by using a deed of variation. Am hoping there will be a brawl at the conference, women with p****es vs women without Rosie Duffield will not be there to see it Edited by HKOwen (26 Sep 2021 10.34am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 26 Sep 21 10.31am

Thank you for all your pronouncements.

Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum.

That is the sort of honest opinion that will help reverse the red wall results.

Ed Miliband is on now, presumably giving a summary of how to avoid inheritance tax by using a deed of variation.

Am hoping there will be a brawl at the conference, women with p****es vs women without

Rosie Duffield will not be there to see it

Edited by HKOwen (26 Sep 2021 10.34am)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Badger11 Beckenham 26 Sep 21 11.44am
Her statement sums up Labour's problem nicely. She might think it but why say it? She is pandering to a section of the Labour party who no doubt lapped it up. However whilst this will go down a storm in Corbyn World the average voter who Labour needs to get elected will just think it a crass comment unworthy of a politician with aspirations to lead the party. It's student union speech. So Starmer has feet of clay and lacks vision, despite his 11000 word essay, the alternative is Raynor who will be loved by the die hard activists but will not appeal to the voters outside the London bubble. Edited by Badger11 (26 Sep 2021 11.45am) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 26 Sep 21 11.44am

Her statement sums up Labour's problem nicely.

She might think it but why say it?

She is pandering to a section of the Labour party who no doubt lapped it up.

However whilst this will go down a storm in Corbyn World the average voter who Labour needs to get elected will just think it a crass comment unworthy of a politician with aspirations to lead the party. It's student union speech.

So Starmer has feet of clay and lacks vision, despite his 11000 word essay, the alternative is Raynor who will be loved by the die hard activists but will not appeal to the voters outside the London bubble.

Edited by Badger11 (26 Sep 2021 11.45am)

One more point

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 21 11.49am
Originally posted by HKOwen Thank you for all your pronouncements. Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum. That is the sort of honest opinion that will help reverse the red wall results. Ed Miliband is on now, presumably giving a summary of how to avoid inheritance tax by using a deed of variation. Am hoping there will be a brawl at the conference, women with p****es vs women without Rosie Duffield will not be there to see it Edited by HKOwen (26 Sep 2021 10.34am) You are not at all clear. You are confused. Without wishing to defend the use of injudicious language, if you decide to attack it, then it would be better to do so accurately. She did NOT describe those who voted Conservative that way. She was describing Tory Ministers, using robust terms. Terms and sentiments that may well resonate with those "red wall" voters now having second thoughts, as the implications of their actions sink in. So at least you are right with the probable consequences. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 21 11.49am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Thank you for all your pronouncements.

Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum.

That is the sort of honest opinion that will help reverse the red wall results.

Ed Miliband is on now, presumably giving a summary of how to avoid inheritance tax by using a deed of variation.

Am hoping there will be a brawl at the conference, women with p****es vs women without

Rosie Duffield will not be there to see it

Edited by HKOwen (26 Sep 2021 10.34am)

You are not at all clear. You are confused.

Without wishing to defend the use of injudicious language, if you decide to attack it, then it would be better to do so accurately.

She did NOT describe those who voted Conservative that way. She was describing Tory Ministers, using robust terms. Terms and sentiments that may well resonate with those "red wall" voters now having second thoughts, as the implications of their actions sink in. So at least you are right with the probable consequences.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Stirlingsays 26 Sep 21 11.56am
It's how the majority of Labour's membership base see things so it is at least a fair reflection of the party....if not perhaps most who vote for it. My uncle had voted Labour all his life stopped voting Labour over Brexit....It was painful for him and I don't see the Rayner types winning him back. The problem with Labour is that being an activist party means you turn off the independent voters. Personally, while being completely anti woke I admire their honesty. I actually do want parties that reflect their memberships rather than leaderships that disappoint them. It isn't a roadmap to winning elections though as essentially the public want what the media tell them to want. Starmer wants to do the Blair thing and taylor fit his party to the corporate media's desires, like Johnson has done.....and as you'd expect his party aren't too happy about it....just as the Tory base aren't happy with Johnson....hell even his own MPs aren't. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

26 Sep 21 11.56am

It's how the majority of Labour's membership base see things so it is at least a fair reflection of the party....if not perhaps most who vote for it.

My uncle had voted Labour all his life stopped voting Labour over Brexit....It was painful for him and I don't see the Rayner types winning him back.

The problem with Labour is that being an activist party means you turn off the independent voters. Personally, while being completely anti woke I admire their honesty.

I actually do want parties that reflect their memberships rather than leaderships that disappoint them.

It isn't a roadmap to winning elections though as essentially the public want what the media tell them to want.

Starmer wants to do the Blair thing and taylor fit his party to the corporate media's desires, like Johnson has done.....and as you'd expect his party aren't too happy about it....just as the Tory base aren't happy with Johnson....hell even his own MPs aren't.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 26 Sep 21 12.03pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You are not at all clear. You are confused. Without wishing to defend the use of injudicious language, if you decide to attack it, then it would be better to do so accurately. She did NOT describe those who voted Conservative that way. She was describing Tory Ministers, using robust terms. Terms and sentiments that may well resonate with those "red wall" voters now having second thoughts, as the implications of their actions sink in. So at least you are right with the probable consequences. Funny you see it this way because surveys say Labour are well behind the tories with voting intentions, and that’s probably after fixing the surveys. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 26 Sep 21 12.03pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are not at all clear. You are confused.

Without wishing to defend the use of injudicious language, if you decide to attack it, then it would be better to do so accurately.

Funny you see it this way because surveys say Labour are well behind the tories with voting intentions, and that’s probably after fixing the surveys.

COYP

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steeleye20 Croydon 26 Sep 21 12.09pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Thank you for all your pronouncements. Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum. That is the sort of honest opinion that will help reverse the red wall results. Ed Miliband is on now, presumably giving a summary of how to avoid inheritance tax by using a deed of variation. Am hoping there will be a brawl at the conference, women with p****es vs women without Rosie Duffield will not be there to see it Edited by HKOwen (26 Sep 2021 10.34am) 'Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum'. Rayner did not say that, she was attacking Johnsons govt. and made this clear.
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steeleye20

Croydon 26 Sep 21 12.09pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Thank you for all your pronouncements.

Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum.

That is the sort of honest opinion that will help reverse the red wall results.

Ed Miliband is on now, presumably giving a summary of how to avoid inheritance tax by using a deed of variation.

Am hoping there will be a brawl at the conference, women with p****es vs women without

Rosie Duffield will not be there to see it

Edited by HKOwen (26 Sep 2021 10.34am)

'Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum'.

Rayner did not say that, she was attacking Johnsons govt. and made this clear.

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 26 Sep 21 12.31pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 'Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum'. Rayner did not say that, she was attacking Johnsons govt. and made this clear. Johnson’s government only exists because a sufficient number of the electorate voted to put it there. So, by simple association, yes she is saying exactly that.
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In a broken dream 26 Sep 21 12.31pm

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Originally posted by steeleye20

'Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum'.

Rayner did not say that, she was attacking Johnsons govt. and made this clear.

Johnson’s government only exists because a sufficient number of the electorate voted to put it there.

So, by simple association, yes she is saying exactly that.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 26 Sep 21 1.29pm
Originally posted by palace_in_frogland Johnson’s government only exists because a sufficient number of the electorate voted to put it there. So, by simple association, yes she is saying exactly that. Extrapolation of the truth. ^^ Rayner was talking about tory Ministers and Johnson. And it's got her more headlines and discussions than Starmer's had all year. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

Johnson’s government only exists because a sufficient number of the electorate voted to put it there.

So, by simple association, yes she is saying exactly that.

Extrapolation of the truth. ^^ Rayner was talking about tory Ministers and Johnson.
And it's got her more headlines and discussions than Starmer's had all year.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Pembroke Bristol 26 Sep 21 1.31pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 'Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum'. Rayner did not say that, she was attacking Johnsons govt. and made this clear. And what will the Tory spin machine do with that? What will right wing media do with that? YOU people vote for? An implication is present. Its free ammunition. As a Labour voter the leader should have condemned her remarks publicly. Edited by Pembroke (26 Sep 2021 1.32pm)
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Pembroke

Bristol 26 Sep 21 1.31pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'Just to be clear, if you voted Conservative you are racist, misogynistic, homophobic scum'.

Rayner did not say that, she was attacking Johnsons govt. and made this clear.

And what will the Tory spin machine do with that? What will right wing media do with that?

YOU people vote for? An implication is present.

Its free ammunition.

As a Labour voter the leader should have condemned her remarks publicly.

Edited by Pembroke (26 Sep 2021 1.32pm)

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 26 Sep 21 1.35pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Extrapolation of the truth. ^^ Rayner was talking about tory Ministers and Johnson. And it's got her more headlines and discussions than Starmer's had all year. And shown herself to be a thoroughly uncouth, unpleasant and ill-mannered individual, in my opinion. And she’s a ginge.
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In a broken dream 26 Sep 21 1.35pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Extrapolation of the truth. ^^ Rayner was talking about tory Ministers and Johnson.
And it's got her more headlines and discussions than Starmer's had all year.

And shown herself to be a thoroughly uncouth, unpleasant and ill-mannered individual, in my opinion.

And she’s a ginge.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 21 1.50pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Funny you see it this way because surveys say Labour are well behind the tories with voting intentions, and that’s probably after fixing the surveys. I don't doubt that's true. Labour have a very long road to travel, so that's much more to do with Corbyn's legacy than satisfaction with the Tories. The Tories could be led by a complete idiot and not yet be under threat, so Johnson is safe for now, as, although he is a long way from being competent, he isn't a complete idiot. Which is a very sad reflection on the state of British politics. We so need the formation of a new centre ground party around which the bulk of the British population could begin to build a consensus. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 26 Sep 21 1.50pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Funny you see it this way because surveys say Labour are well behind the tories with voting intentions, and that’s probably after fixing the surveys.

I don't doubt that's true. Labour have a very long road to travel, so that's much more to do with Corbyn's legacy than satisfaction with the Tories. The Tories could be led by a complete idiot and not yet be under threat, so Johnson is safe for now, as, although he is a long way from being competent, he isn't a complete idiot. Which is a very sad reflection on the state of British politics.

We so need the formation of a new centre ground party around which the bulk of the British population could begin to build a consensus.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 26 Sep 21 1.51pm
what i love about Labour is they always shoot themselves in the Foot. The michael Foot. unelectable idiots. Corbyn, Ken Livingston, etc etc...... looney lefties all. And of course the vile feminist, the Man-hater that is Jess Phillips. Follow the link below and see the heart and soul of the Labour Party. [Link] Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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