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glaziermart Flag 24 Jun 21 11.22am

Clearly Lucien Favre is highly rated, and is known as "The Brain" apparently, with a win percentage of 61% at Dortmund. This is a hell of a coup and the Everton fans are raging!!! see link below. What a lovely feeling!!

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Jun 21 11.24am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

They could probably still gazump us.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 24 Jun 21 11.26am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by glaziermart

This is a hell of a coup and the Everton fans are raging!!!

I see that you have substituted "raging" for "upset"

The problem with these clickbait pimps is that they back up their so called stories with quotes from Twitter just picking those that suit their agenda

 

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sydtheeagle Flag England 24 Jun 21 12.00pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

There are a lot of moaners on this forum forever criticising our so-called lack of vision or "limited" financial means who should sit down and pay attention to the Everton story. It's instructive. Here's how it reads.

Multi-millionaire owner (Moshiri) comes into the club brandishing his wallet and the fans spunk themselves. Every man's dream...time buy success. But ten years or so have passed since the Sheik's bought Manchester City and the landscape's changed. Now, there's Financial Fair Play which limits a club's ability to buy success. Rich owners still matter, but less than they did.

Moshiri does what all fans want; splashes the cash and brings in star names plus a star manager. In essence, he gambles everything on Everton winning something and qualifying for Europe which would increase their revenue stream and thereby give them more room under the FFP rules.

But it doesn't happen. All the money yields a tenth place finish, no Cups, and no Europe. So with the maximum amount of money already spent last summer, revenue streams left static by the failure to progress into Europe, and up hard against the FFP cap suddenly Everton have no room to spend more money whether the owner has a big wallet or not.

What happens? First, Ancelloti walks in part because he knows there's no money to strengthen the team again this summer. Moshiri makes no real effort to keep him because he's happy to get a big salary off the books and free up a bit of cash he can spend elsewhere (on the team). Ancelloti, meanwhile, goes to Real and immediately puts in a cheeky bid for Calvert-Lewin because he knows that if they want to buy, Everton has to sell first. In fact, it's so bad that Everton can't even nail down Nuno, who turned down Palace for a bigger club he thought would meet his demands, then discovered in negotiating that they had no more free cash than we did.

I have no sympathy for raging Everton fans. Their dream came true but rather than see the reality of last summer's excesses, they were seduced into thinking you could buy success. Now, they've come down to earth with a bump and they don't like it. Tough.

The moral here is "beware of Greeks bearing gifts". Being a well-run club is not simply a matter of having a ridiculously rich owner. Manchester City (rich owner) are successful because they're well run. Tottenham (rich owner) aren't successful because recently at least, they haven't been well-run. Ditto Man. Utd.

We are where we are because whether you like our ownership set-up or not or not, because we are a well-run club. And we're more or less punching our weight on the pitch. There are worse things in football than that.

 


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nead1 Flag 24 Jun 21 12.10pm Send a Private Message to nead1 Add nead1 as a friend

Very good post and I especially agree with your comment re Palace being "a well run club". I have long thought the culture that Parish and others have built is a really important differentiator; very little "noise" ever comes out of Palace which tends to indicate its a good working environment. Equally, their decision making processes generally seem thorough and sound - even if they take a bit of time!

 

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Pete53 Flag Hassocks 24 Jun 21 12.12pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

They could probably still gazump us.

Yes, I am not going to put up the red and blue bunting until there is a photo of him shaking Steve Parish's hand and holding a place shirt in the other.

BBC Sport had us close to closing a deal with Nuno just a few days ago.

 

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pstrutt Flag Busselton, WA 24 Jun 21 12.24pm Send a Private Message to pstrutt Add pstrutt as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

But it doesn't happen. All the money yields a tenth place finish, no Cups, and no Europe. So with the maximum amount of money already spent last summer, revenue streams left static by the failure to progress into Europe, and up hard against the FFP cap suddenly Everton have no room to spend more money whether the owner has a big wallet or not.

Hi Syd, When you quote the Everton story, is that factual on the FFP situation above? Genuine question.
It seems to me that the gambling at this level is the luxury that a rich owner has, compared say to Championship owners. Clearly that luxury only extends so far, which is the reason for us allowing so many players to see out their contracts.

Is FFP the biggest thing that a New Manager has to assess when considering a job at any club?

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Jun 21 12.30pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

There are a lot of moaners on this forum forever criticising our so-called lack of vision or "limited" financial means who should sit down and pay attention to the Everton story. It's instructive. Here's how it reads.

Multi-millionaire owner (Moshiri) comes into the club brandishing his wallet and the fans spunk themselves. Every man's dream...time buy success. But ten years or so have passed since the Sheik's bought Manchester City and the landscape's changed. Now, there's Financial Fair Play which limits a club's ability to buy success. Rich owners still matter, but less than they did.

Moshiri does what all fans want; splashes the cash and brings in star names plus a star manager. In essence, he gambles everything on Everton winning something and qualifying for Europe which would increase their revenue stream and thereby give them more room under the FFP rules.

But it doesn't happen. All the money yields a tenth place finish, no Cups, and no Europe. So with the maximum amount of money already spent last summer, revenue streams left static by the failure to progress into Europe, and up hard against the FFP cap suddenly Everton have no room to spend more money whether the owner has a big wallet or not.

What happens? First, Ancelloti walks in part because he knows there's no money to strengthen the team again this summer. Moshiri makes no real effort to keep him because he's happy to get a big salary off the books and free up a bit of cash he can spend elsewhere (on the team). Ancelloti, meanwhile, goes to Real and immediately puts in a cheeky bid for Calvert-Lewin because he knows that if they want to buy, Everton has to sell first. In fact, it's so bad that Everton can't even nail down Nuno, who turned down Palace for a bigger club he thought would meet his demands, then discovered in negotiating that they had no more free cash than we did.

I have no sympathy for raging Everton fans. Their dream came true but rather than see the reality of last summer's excesses, they were seduced into thinking you could buy success. Now, they've come down to earth with a bump and they don't like it. Tough.

The moral here is "beware of Greeks bearing gifts". Being a well-run club is not simply a matter of having a ridiculously rich owner. Manchester City (rich owner) are successful because they're well run. Tottenham (rich owner) aren't successful because recently at least, they haven't been well-run. Ditto Man. Utd.

We are where we are because whether you like our ownership set-up or not or not, because we are a well-run club. And we're more or less punching our weight on the pitch. There are worse things in football than that.

Well argued post.

It just shows how hard it is to move from middle table to 6-8 place. Clubs like Everton and Brighton have spent a fortune compared to us and yet we are all still in the same bucked with Southampton and the miserly Burnley.

I thought FFP rules were being relaxed so Everton may still benefit from that, we'll see.

 


One more point

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Midlands Eagle Flag 24 Jun 21 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle


Ancelloti, meanwhile, goes to Real and immediately puts in a cheeky bid for Calvert-Lewin because he knows that if they want to buy, Everton has to sell first. In fact, it's so bad that Everton can't even nail down Nuno, who turned down Palace for a bigger club he thought would meet his demands, then discovered in negotiating that they had no more free cash than we did.

Is that the reason why we pulled out and Everton can't seem to make their minds up about him or is it something to do with a requirement to buy new players through Mendes?

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 24 Jun 21 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

They could probably still gazump us.

If we have already applied for a wirk permit I suspect contracts have already been signed, subject to approval of work permit. Permits are issued for specific jobs so a confirmed offer would have been agreed. He will obtain a permit. I have been researching self isolation, if we can get him classed as an elite sportsperson ( doubtful) he will not have to self isolate

 

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sydtheeagle Flag England 24 Jun 21 1.32pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by pstrutt

Hi Syd, When you quote the Everton story, is that factual on the FFP situation above? Genuine question.
It seems to me that the gambling at this level is the luxury that a rich owner has, compared say to Championship owners. Clearly that luxury only extends so far, which is the reason for us allowing so many players to see out their contracts.

Is FFP the biggest thing that a New Manager has to assess when considering a job at any club?

Obviously, there are nuances/numbers that I'm not a party to but yes, the story is broadly a factual and accurate recapitulation of the situation at Everton as it stands now. I don't know if FFP is the biggest thing a manager has to consider when joining a club, but it's definitely one of the things. The point about FFP is that it's linked to revenue so a club like Man U or any "big" club (who, say, sell billions of kits) can spend more on transfers because they have a larger revenue stream overall. Revenue streams, in today's football, are what makes a big club big as opposed to trophies. One reason Leicester have emerged as a competitive force even though they don't have a long history of winning trophies is that their revenue streams under Thai owners have grown exponentially; they sell a vast amount of merchandise in the Asian market. It matters. Everton, meanwhile, aren't generating revenue on the pitch due to their lack of success and, with due respect to their supporters, they're not exactly a global brand generating cash worldwide from non-football activities. If they're a "big club" at all, it's entirely because they won a few trophies a few decades ago and in today's football world that frankly counts for f*** all, at least in terms of being big.

Edited by sydtheeagle (24 Jun 2021 1.35pm)

 


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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 24 Jun 21 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Obviously, there are nuances/numbers that I'm not a party to but yes, the story is broadly a factual and accurate recapitulation of the situation at Everton as it stands now. I don't know if FFP is the biggest thing a manager has to consider when joining a club, but it's definitely one of the things. The point about FFP is that it's linked to revenue so a club like Man U or any "big" club (who, say, sell billions of kits) can spend more on transfers because they have a larger revenue stream overall. Revenue streams, in today's football, are what makes a big club big as opposed to trophies. One reason Leicester have emerged as a competitive force even though they don't have a long history of winning trophies is that their revenue streams under Thai owners have grown exponentially; they sell a vast amount of merchandise in the Asian market. It matters. Everton, meanwhile, aren't generating revenue on the pitch due to their lack of success and, with due respect to their supporters, they're not exactly a global brand generating cash worldwide from non-football activities.If they're a "big club" at all, it's entirely because they won a few trophies a few decades ago and in today's football world that frankly counts for f*** all, at least in terms of being big.

Edited by sydtheeagle (24 Jun 2021 1.35pm)

Fair point Syd. In fact, although I have no idea whether it's a fact or not, I'd say the Crystal Palace brand has a wider international reach largely due to our glamorous sounding name.

I'm not a vindictive bloke by nature, but after leading us a merry dance, I hope Santo ends up missing out on a 'big' job. Certainly both Everton and Spurs are still not fixed up.

 


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