This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
Happy St. George’s Day
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
Previous Topic | Next Topic
DanH SW2 23 Apr 21 9.32am |
 |
Who had second post in the sweepstake for someone getting upset at the made up future banning of St George’s Day? Must be a new HOL record. These days, you get thrown in jail just for saying you’re English.
Happy St George’s Day everyone.
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
|
stuckinbristol In the woodwork. 23 Apr 21 10.21am |
 |
Originally posted by DanH
Who had second post in the sweepstake for someone getting upset at the made up future banning of St George’s Day? Must be a new HOL record. These days, you get thrown in jail just for saying you’re English.
Happy St George’s Day everyone.
The only thing I am upset about is the erosion of the English culture, in favour of total acceptance of other peoples cultures, regardless of their detrimental effect.
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 23 Apr 21 10.45am |
 |
Happy St George’s Day but..... I wonder how many people know that St George is not the original patron saint of England. That honour falls to the St Edmund (or Edmund the Martyr), Anglo-Saxon King of East Anglia in the 9th century. According to legend, he was captured in battle by the Vikings who tried to get him to renounce his Christian faith. When he refused he was bound to a tree, shot through with arrows and beheaded. His decapitated head is said to have been reunited with its body with the help of a talking wolf who protected the head and alerted Edmund’s followers. Talking wolves aside, we know that his remains were moved to what is today Bury St. Edmunds (which is how it got its name) where a religious community was founded to care for his shrine which then became a place of national pilgrimage. Such was the influence of St Edmund that on St Edmund’s Day (20 November) 1214 rebel English barons held a secret meeting there before confronting King John with the Charter of Liberties, the forerunner to Magna Carta which he signed a year later. This event is reflected in the motto of Bury St Edmunds: ‘Shrine of a King, Cradle of the Law’. St Edmund’s influence began to fade when, during the Third Crusade in 1199, King Richard I visited the tomb of St. George in Lydda on the eve of battle. The next day he won a great victory. Following this triumph, Richard adopted St. George as his personal patron and protector of the army. In 1348, Edward III founded a new order of chivalry, the Knights of the Garter and made St George the patron of the Order and also declared him Patron Saint of England. Attempts were made in 2006 and 2013 to have St Edmund reinstated as patron saint of England (on the basis that St George, patron saint of 16 other countries, had never even visited England) but were rejected by the government. Having been moved to France, today St Edmund's remains are kept in the chapel in Arundel Castle.
I like the idea of a taking wolf. A Dragon is just to far fetched 
And Ironically St Edmund is also the Patron Saint of Pandemics
Edited by Apollofuzz (23 Apr 2021 10.46am)
I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Tom-the-eagle Croydon 23 Apr 21 10.50am |
|
Its OK, I believe he was of Greek heritage so we may be able to keep him.
"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Badger11 Beckenham 23 Apr 21 10.56am |
 |
Thanks Apollo I did not know any of that.
I just checked and his feast day is 20 Nov so if we did switch Paton Saints it would rebalance our crowded spring calendar.
Of course not going to happen as any government will not want to touch the subject as too controversial.
Maybe we could have some alternate patron saints:
St Tony Blair St Nelson Mandela St Donald of Trump Abbott Diane

One more point
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
|
mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 23 Apr 21 11.51am |
 |
Originally posted by Apollofuzz
Happy St George’s Day but..... I wonder how many people know that St George is not the original patron saint of England. That honour falls to the St Edmund (or Edmund the Martyr), Anglo-Saxon King of East Anglia in the 9th century. According to legend, he was captured in battle by the Vikings who tried to get him to renounce his Christian faith. When he refused he was bound to a tree, shot through with arrows and beheaded. His decapitated head is said to have been reunited with its body with the help of a talking wolf who protected the head and alerted Edmund’s followers. Talking wolves aside, we know that his remains were moved to what is today Bury St. Edmunds (which is how it got its name) where a religious community was founded to care for his shrine which then became a place of national pilgrimage. Such was the influence of St Edmund that on St Edmund’s Day (20 November) 1214 rebel English barons held a secret meeting there before confronting King John with the Charter of Liberties, the forerunner to Magna Carta which he signed a year later. This event is reflected in the motto of Bury St Edmunds: ‘Shrine of a King, Cradle of the Law’. St Edmund’s influence began to fade when, during the Third Crusade in 1199, King Richard I visited the tomb of St. George in Lydda on the eve of battle. The next day he won a great victory. Following this triumph, Richard adopted St. George as his personal patron and protector of the army. In 1348, Edward III founded a new order of chivalry, the Knights of the Garter and made St George the patron of the Order and also declared him Patron Saint of England. Attempts were made in 2006 and 2013 to have St Edmund reinstated as patron saint of England (on the basis that St George, patron saint of 16 other countries, had never even visited England) but were rejected by the government. Having been moved to France, today St Edmund's remains are kept in the chapel in Arundel Castle.
I like the idea of a taking wolf. A Dragon is just to far fetched 
And Ironically St Edmund is also the Patron Saint of Pandemics
Edited by Apollofuzz (23 Apr 2021 10.46am)
What better day to bury St Edmund
Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
|
Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Previous Topic | Next Topic