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  georgenorman  26 Dec 20 1.37pm |
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Cheers me up to hear that communist spy George Blake has died - responsible for the deaths and torture of many British agents by his betrayal of them.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 27 Dec 20 9.28am |
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98 was a good innings. He seemed to like Communism, especially when he was above the masses. If he hadn't have been responsible for exposing British Agents, I wonder how he would have enjoyed Communism amongst the populace ?
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Henry of Peckham  Eton Mess 27 Dec 20 11.27am |
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Beats me how this guy eluded the hangman (hanging for treason wasn't abolished until 1998 ) then he was "allowed" to escape from prison to enjoy the good life in Russia for another 54 years. Edited by Henry of Peckham (27 Dec 2020 11.28am)
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| Matov 27 Dec 20 12.04pm |
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A man who died with no honour, who betrayed those who had trusted him. Barely worthy of being called a 'man' in any meaningful way. The worst of all deaths.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| steeleye20 Croydon 27 Dec 20 12.59pm |
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You obviously haven't seen 'Callan' lately, we bumped off just as many of theirs. Lived to 98 that is quite a score considering he was a spy. He admitted that communism, Russian style, had not been made to work. But his view of the communist cause as being a just and equal society remained, and that humanity my return to it. I think that is a valid argument.
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| Matov 27 Dec 20 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You obviously haven't seen 'Callan' lately, we bumped off just as many of theirs. The game is the game. But he betrayed people who thought he was on their side. A complete and utter traitor. If you don't like the British system, then fine. Not keen on it myself. But I would not lie to burrow my way into it then give information that led to the deaths of people. A no-good treacherous bit of s***.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 Dec 20 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
A man who died with no honour, who betrayed those who had trusted him. Barely worthy of being called a 'man' in any meaningful way. The worst of all deaths. Him Snowdon and Assange are responsible for the torture and death of many good people.
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| georgenorman 28 Dec 20 10.28am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You obviously haven't seen 'Callan' lately, we bumped off just as many of theirs. Lived to 98 that is quite a score considering he was a spy. He admitted that communism, Russian style, had not been made to work. But his view of the communist cause as being a just and equal society remained, and that humanity my return to it. I think that is a valid argument. "Not been made to work". How do you suggest it is made to work? Everywhere, without exception, it has led to the misery of the very people it is supposed to benefit.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 28 Dec 20 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
"Not been made to work". How do you suggest it is made to work? Everywhere, without exception, it has led to the misery of the very people it is supposed to benefit. Exactly. If you take money and land away from the better off and they object how exactly do you resolve that? State controlled violence is the only option. Communism cannot work in a peaceful way because it is human nature that what people have they want to hang onto. Maybe Corbyn and his mates would give up their homes and wealth but the vast majority of people would not do so willingly. Bread and circuses are what people want. Edited by Badger11 (28 Dec 2020 12.03pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 28 Dec 20 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Him Snowdon and Assange are responsible for the torture and death of many good people. Snowden (about to be pardoned?) and Assange are whistle-blowers. Blake was a master spy, there is no link at all.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 28 Dec 20 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Snowden (about to be pardoned?) and Assange are whistle-blowers. Blake was a master spy, there is no link at all.
Tell that to the people whose cover was blown. Even the Guardian had the common sense to edit the documents and to hide names as they realised real peoples lives were in danger. Not so Assange.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 28 Dec 20 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Tell that to the people whose cover was blown. Even the Guardian had the common sense to edit the documents and to hide names as they realised real peoples lives were in danger. Not so Assange. Tell it to the innocent civilians murdered by the USA military, revealed by them, as well.
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