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HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Jun 20 8.10am
The attacker had apparently been in the UK for six months already. Does anyone know what it costs the taxpayer to process an asylum application, mention was made of a lawyer and an asylum liason officer. I am sure there would be outrage if the true cost and actual number of returned people after failed applications was revealed. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 28 Jun 20 8.10am

The attacker had apparently been in the UK for six months already. Does anyone know what it costs the taxpayer to process an asylum application, mention was made of a lawyer and an asylum liason officer.

I am sure there would be outrage if the true cost and actual number of returned people after failed applications was revealed.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Matov 28 Jun 20 8.27am
My understanding and I am more than happy to be corrected here, is that the person in question had already agreed to be sent back home but the process had been delayed by the Corona crisis. I am usually the first to roll my eyes when it comes to the almost pavlovian Left wing response to any attack that might be deemed to have an Islamic element to it start pushing claims of 'mental health issues' but we also need to be careful of falling into a similar contrarian mindset ourselves. This particular incident may well be a case of somebody losing the plot big time rather than anything else. Yes, you can ask wider questions about the wisdom of allowing large amounts of single men to be kept sealed up in pokey hotel rooms for months on end but we might actually be looking at a genuine mental illness tragedy here. What I find interesting is that because this was up in Scotland, with the police force directly under the jurisdiction of the kindly and benevolent SNP rather than the beastly and fascist Tories, why we have not seen questions asked yet about the police over-reacting here, especially since a black man has been shot dead. Does his life not matter? "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

28 Jun 20 8.27am

My understanding and I am more than happy to be corrected here, is that the person in question had already agreed to be sent back home but the process had been delayed by the Corona crisis.

I am usually the first to roll my eyes when it comes to the almost pavlovian Left wing response to any attack that might be deemed to have an Islamic element to it start pushing claims of 'mental health issues' but we also need to be careful of falling into a similar contrarian mindset ourselves.

This particular incident may well be a case of somebody losing the plot big time rather than anything else. Yes, you can ask wider questions about the wisdom of allowing large amounts of single men to be kept sealed up in pokey hotel rooms for months on end but we might actually be looking at a genuine mental illness tragedy here.

What I find interesting is that because this was up in Scotland, with the police force directly under the jurisdiction of the kindly and benevolent SNP rather than the beastly and fascist Tories, why we have not seen questions asked yet about the police over-reacting here, especially since a black man has been shot dead.

Does his life not matter?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 28 Jun 20 10.42am
I am interested in the actual facts of cost and return policy action. There are many human aspects but my question is purely practical and I think the public has a right to know. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 28 Jun 20 10.42am

I am interested in the actual facts of cost and return policy action.

There are many human aspects but my question is purely practical and I think the public has a right to know.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 28 Jun 20 11.18am
And anyway, Islamic terrorism and mental illness are not necessarily mutually exclusive. You can have both in the one person....no difficulty there at all. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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And anyway, Islamic terrorism and mental illness are not necessarily mutually exclusive. You can have both in the one person....no difficulty there at all.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jun 20 11.20am
Originally posted by HKOwen I am interested in the actual facts of cost and return policy action. There are many human aspects but my question is purely practical and I think the public has a right to know. It must take years and costs thousands in lawyers fees which is why the best solution is to vet people before they come here and not let in the bad ones. Th Remainers used to argue that we could stop citizens from the EU arriving here, actually we can deport them after 3 months if they didn't have a job. First you have to find them and then deportation is not automatic. Stop them coming is the answer and in the case of genuine refugees vet them and take them from the camps in the Middle East. Edited by Badger11 (28 Jun 2020 11.21am) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 28 Jun 20 11.20am

Originally posted by HKOwen

I am interested in the actual facts of cost and return policy action.

There are many human aspects but my question is purely practical and I think the public has a right to know.

It must take years and costs thousands in lawyers fees which is why the best solution is to vet people before they come here and not let in the bad ones.

Th Remainers used to argue that we could stop citizens from the EU arriving here, actually we can deport them after 3 months if they didn't have a job. First you have to find them and then deportation is not automatic.

Stop them coming is the answer and in the case of genuine refugees vet them and take them from the camps in the Middle East.

Edited by Badger11 (28 Jun 2020 11.21am)

One more point

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Spiderman Horsham 28 Jun 20 11.23am
Originally posted by HKOwen The attacker had apparently been in the UK for six months already. Does anyone know what it costs the taxpayer to process an asylum application, mention was made of a lawyer and an asylum liason officer. I am sure there would be outrage if the true cost and actual number of returned people after failed applications was revealed. It would be nigh on impossible to establish exactly how much this costs. Basically the following would have to be costed: Initial BF action, including all paperwork, initial interview and arranging accommodation: Transport to accommodation (not always necessary): Time spent by local authorities/social services finding accommodation: Cost of accommodation, all utilities paid for, food vouchers etc: HO staff time includes further interview and processing ( can take years, due to legal challenges against decision/removal): Legal representation: If children involved, cost of education. English classes given to adults: All medical care In essence each case costs a lot but impossible to put a cost on individual cases Not very clear/helpful but best I can do
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Spiderman

Horsham 28 Jun 20 11.23am

Originally posted by HKOwen

I am sure there would be outrage if the true cost and actual number of returned people after failed applications was revealed.

It would be nigh on impossible to establish exactly how much this costs. Basically the following would have to be costed:
Initial BF action, including all paperwork, initial interview and arranging accommodation:
Transport to accommodation (not always necessary):
Time spent by local authorities/social services finding accommodation:
Cost of accommodation, all utilities paid for, food vouchers etc:
HO staff time includes further interview and processing ( can take years, due to legal challenges against decision/removal):
Legal representation:
If children involved, cost of education. English classes given to adults:
All medical care
In essence each case costs a lot but impossible to put a cost on individual cases
Not very clear/helpful but best I can do

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Spiderman Horsham 28 Jun 20 11.34am
Originally posted by Badger11 It must take years and costs thousands in lawyers fees which is why the best solution is to vet people before they come here and not let in the bad ones. Th Remainers used to argue that we could stop citizens from the EU arriving here, actually we can deport them after 3 months if they didn't have a job. First you have to find them and then deportation is not automatic. Stop them coming is the answer and in the case of genuine refugees vet them and take them from the camps in the Middle East. Edited by Badger11 (28 Jun 2020 11.21am) To say we could deport EU nationals after 3 months is total b****cks. You can only remove EU nationals under 3 categories; Public Health, Public Security and Public Policy. Not having a job does not come under any of these. Together with the fact that, on arrival, no address is taken. I agree we should only take refugees from official camps when an element of vetting can take place. Unfortunately stopping them arriving is nigh on impossible, it is mega money making exercise for people smugglers. With regard to the Cross- Channel arrivals, you need assistance from the French... enough said. Even before Brexit they made no attempt to stop this, so much for EU co-operation Edited by Spiderman (28 Jun 2020 12.19pm)
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Spiderman

Horsham 28 Jun 20 11.34am

Originally posted by Badger11

It must take years and costs thousands in lawyers fees which is why the best solution is to vet people before they come here and not let in the bad ones.

Stop them coming is the answer and in the case of genuine refugees vet them and take them from the camps in the Middle East.

Edited by Badger11 (28 Jun 2020 11.21am)

To say we could deport EU nationals after 3 months is total b****cks. You can only remove EU nationals under 3 categories; Public Health, Public Security and Public Policy. Not having a job does not come under any of these. Together with the fact that, on arrival, no address is taken. I agree we should only take refugees from official camps when an element of vetting can take place.
Unfortunately stopping them arriving is nigh on impossible, it is mega money making exercise for people smugglers. With regard to the Cross- Channel arrivals, you need assistance from the French... enough said. Even before Brexit they made no attempt to stop this, so much for EU co-operation

Edited by Spiderman (28 Jun 2020 12.19pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 28 Jun 20 11.41am
Originally posted by Spiderman To say we could deport EU nationals after 3 months is total b****cks. You can only remove EU nationals under 3 categories; Public Health, Public Security and Public Policy. Not having a job does not come under of these. Together with the fact that, on arrival, no address is taken. I agree we should only take refugees from official camps when an element of vetting can take place. Unfortunately stopping them arriving is nigh on impossible, it is mega money making exercise for people smugglers. With regard to the Cross- Channel arrivals, you need assistance from the French... enough said. Even before Brexit they made no attempt to stop this, so much for EU co-operation Cant a ship be moored of the coast as until they land it would be maritime law. Process and then decide turn left or right at the bottom of the ladder.
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cryrst

The garden of England 28 Jun 20 11.41am

Originally posted by Spiderman

To say we could deport EU nationals after 3 months is total b****cks. You can only remove EU nationals under 3 categories; Public Health, Public Security and Public Policy. Not having a job does not come under of these. Together with the fact that, on arrival, no address is taken. I agree we should only take refugees from official camps when an element of vetting can take place.
Unfortunately stopping them arriving is nigh on impossible, it is mega money making exercise for people smugglers. With regard to the Cross- Channel arrivals, you need assistance from the French... enough said. Even before Brexit they made no attempt to stop this, so much for EU co-operation

Cant a ship be moored of the coast as until they land it would be maritime law. Process and then decide turn left or right at the bottom of the ladder.

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Spiderman Horsham 28 Jun 20 12.11pm
Originally posted by cryrst Cant a ship be moored of the coast as until they land it would be maritime law. Process and then decide turn left or right at the bottom of the ladder. If only! Once in British waters and rescued by British ship, bingo! We have arrived in the intolerant/racist U.K. Many years ago, the HO used a ferry to house asylum claimants as you have suggested. I believe it was moored off Dover ( May be wrong). However it cast adrift and the PC/HR brigade went into overdrive meltdown and it was never used again
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Horsham 28 Jun 20 12.11pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Cant a ship be moored of the coast as until they land it would be maritime law. Process and then decide turn left or right at the bottom of the ladder.

If only! Once in British waters and rescued by British ship, bingo! We have arrived in the intolerant/racist U.K.
Many years ago, the HO used a ferry to house asylum claimants as you have suggested. I believe it was moored off Dover ( May be wrong). However it cast adrift and the PC/HR brigade went into overdrive meltdown and it was never used again

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Spiderman Horsham 28 Jun 20 12.18pm
Originally posted by Spiderman It would be nigh on impossible to establish exactly how much this costs. Basically the following would have to be costed: Initial BF action, including all paperwork, initial interview and arranging accommodation: Transport to accommodation (not always necessary): Time spent by local authorities/social services finding accommodation: Cost of accommodation, all utilities paid for, food vouchers etc: HO staff time includes further interview and processing ( can take years, due to legal challenges against decision/removal): Legal representation: If children involved, cost of education. English classes given to adults: All medical care In essence each case costs a lot but impossible to put a cost on individual cases Not very clear/helpful but best I can do This may help [Link]
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Horsham 28 Jun 20 12.18pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

This may help

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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jun 20 12.53pm
Originally posted by Spiderman To say we could deport EU nationals after 3 months is total bcks. You can only remove EU nationals under 3 categories; Public Health, Public Security and Public Policy. Not having a job does not come under any of these. Together with the fact that, on arrival, no address is taken. I agree we should only take refugees from official camps when an element of vetting can take place. Unfortunately stopping them arriving is nigh on impossible, it is mega money making exercise for people smugglers. With regard to the Cross- Channel arrivals, you need assistance from the French... enough said. Even before Brexit they made no attempt to stop this, so much for EU co-operation Edited by Spiderman (28 Jun 2020 12.19pm) My mistake according to the BBC it's six months [Link] One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 28 Jun 20 12.53pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

To say we could deport EU nationals after 3 months is total b****cks. You can only remove EU nationals under 3 categories; Public Health, Public Security and Public Policy. Not having a job does not come under any of these. Together with the fact that, on arrival, no address is taken. I agree we should only take refugees from official camps when an element of vetting can take place.
Unfortunately stopping them arriving is nigh on impossible, it is mega money making exercise for people smugglers. With regard to the Cross- Channel arrivals, you need assistance from the French... enough said. Even before Brexit they made no attempt to stop this, so much for EU co-operation

Edited by Spiderman (28 Jun 2020 12.19pm)

My mistake according to the BBC it's six months

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One more point

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 28 Jun 20 1.41pm
Another story completely downplayed by the media. The man has just been named as Badreddin Abadlla Adam yet it's buried on the BBC website... Three (negative) stories from the US are deemed more important.
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Penge Eagle

Beckenham 28 Jun 20 1.41pm

Another story completely downplayed by the media. The man has just been named as Badreddin Abadlla Adam yet it's buried on the BBC website... Three (negative) stories from the US are deemed more important.

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