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dreamwaverider London 24 Feb 20 6.55pm | |
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The FA have recently issued guidelines that no under 12 football player should be allowed to head the ball in training. Its all based on the neuro diseases of retired players like the late Jeff Astle.
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jeeagles 24 Feb 20 7.18pm | |
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Does this simply mean that coaches can't run exercises that involve heading the ball repeatedly? The FA have a very good and comprehensive guidance on child welfare. Endorsing exercise where children head the ball would be very difficult to achieve and police, and opens up risk of litigation which could be very difficult to defend. By the sounds of it this rule doesn't cover heading in games/practice games if it's not a pre planned exercise. Lots more to consider here. - The FA want kids to spend as much time on the ball as possible. Heading practice doesn't really achieve this. - Heading is a skill that can be taught later on. The best technique for a header is to put as much force through the ball as possible. Not sure if there is a "safe" was of teaching that. - Challenging other kids for a high ball is probably more dangerous than heading it self. Cracking heads against each other, or crashing into an accidental lose elbow is still a risk, particularly when night and weight issues are likely. - I think contact in Rugby comes in at under 10. The first thing they teach the kids is how to fall probably and protect their heads. Tackelling is initially kept to below the waste to reduce the likelihood of head injuries and to promote good techniques. Scrums increase slowly from 3 players to 5 to 7. Limited numbers prevent rucks and mauls getting too big. Most rule changes in recent years have been centred around minimising head and neck injuries. Some of these rules are particularly complicated and have created lots of issues around there implimentation. I don't think your view is an over reaction. But I cant really see a way they could give guidance for training heading that dont end up contradicting other welfare standards.
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becky over the moon 24 Feb 20 9.42pm | |
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I can see some sense in this - back in Jeff Astle's day boys under 12 would only be playing occasional or irregular park or street football which generally, as I recall, involved relatively little heading. Currently, you now have structured football training sessions available from about 7 years old, which means regular weekly session at least and sometimes more, with games at weekends. A child on a training scheme and playing at school or for a local club would therefore be playing far more often than in the old days. Under 12 (and indeed up to 17/1 all bones, skull included, are still growing/developing, and although modern balls are lighter, and probably relatively softer than the old dubbin soaked leather ones, I would imaging that there is nowadays the potential for risk of long term damage from heading a ball more frequently. Add to that, as jeeagles says, the risks from aerial collisions and I can understand where the FA are coming from.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Feb 20 10.48pm | |
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Originally posted by becky
I can see some sense in this - back in Jeff Astle's day boys under 12 would only be playing occasional or irregular park or street football which generally, as I recall, involved relatively little heading. Currently, you now have structured football training sessions available from about 7 years old, which means regular weekly session at least and sometimes more, with games at weekends. A child on a training scheme and playing at school or for a local club would therefore be playing far more often than in the old days. Under 12 (and indeed up to 17/1 all bones, skull included, are still growing/developing, and although modern balls are lighter, and probably relatively softer than the old dubbin soaked leather ones, I would imaging that there is nowadays the potential for risk of long term damage from heading a ball more frequently. Add to that, as jeeagles says, the risks from aerial collisions and I can understand where the FA are coming from. Until we have a period of old age former players that played under 9’s football and onwards with modern balls dying of just old age or suffering with and dying with dementia then we won’t know. Under 9’s football has been going for decades. Under 11’s junior school football a lot longer. Alan Shearer might be a good test in old age, although I think he’s suffering from a head injury now when he’s on MOTD. Jeff Astle would have headed a very heavy ball for 5-6 days a week apart from the summer break, for 20 years, and for some time before that.
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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 25 Feb 20 9.50am | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
The FA have recently issued guidelines that no under 12 football player should be allowed to head the ball in training. Its all based on the neuro diseases of retired players like the late Jeff Astle. You're being a bit dramatic. Undeniably there is a link between footballers and early death to neurological disorders, which could be due to heading the ball repeatedly. While more research is being done, they're changing the coaching of youngsters. It's a simple as that. Your point about most head injuries on the field being caused by collisions is correct, however that is completely different to damage over time by repeatedly heading the ball in training (not matches). From my understanding, there will still be heading coaching that may use lighter balls, and not rely on just repeatedly heading the ball.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Feb 20 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
The FA have recently issued guidelines that no under 12 football player should be allowed to head the ball in training. Its all based on the neuro diseases of retired players like the late Jeff Astle. Some excellent points made in this post.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 25 Feb 20 11.23am | |
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I’d say that central defenders and central midfielders with today’s footballs are receiving more impact from high balls rather than attacking players that flick the ball on from high keeper kicks or attack lower crosses with less travelling speed, energy and impact in the ball. We also now have a lot less kicks from the keepers’ hands. These are the worst for impact. The others aren’t even close, especially with today’s balls. However, I do wonder that some defenders think they’re facing enemy fire the way they wimp out defending a shot that affects the result, the league position, their career, the club that pays their wages. I’d like to think in squad video sessions these are replayed but I expect some teams the other players would do exactly the same. We’ve seen Luka do this. I think Tomkins May have done but not sure.
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Teddy Eagle 25 Feb 20 11.54am | |
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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 25 Feb 20 12.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Their is no science to back any of this up and never will be because they wont be allowed to conducted the required testing for the studies.
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michaelpearce grays 27 Feb 20 5.39pm | |
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I have looked through the posts alot of good points but,i played from the age of 6, im 61 now,played 7 days a week 2 to 3 hours a day until i stopped at 31,still drink and talk to alot of footballing friends,none of them have any brain problems, lots of women have the same issues but they didnt play football so how did there problems start,
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kennybrowns leftfoot Reigate 27 Feb 20 8.31pm | |
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It’s mad isn’t it to think how coaching/safety has changed... I was a centre half and played at a decent level, playing with Clinton Morrison and Jody Morris as a teenager... (obviously they went on to better things than me!!) My training as a defender was some guy throwing the ball in the air about 30 feet and me having to header it about 50 times a session!!
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Elpis In a pub 28 Feb 20 9.35am | |
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I think its the old balls that caused the problem .I remember as a kid how heavy they were especially when wet .Heading them was actually painful at times and it was a result just to 'get your nut on it ' let alone actually head it anywhere you wanted to . When the lighted plastic coated version was introduced I of course had neck muscles like Conan and would easily head the ball out during aerial bombardments . Shame I couldn't actually play the game ,I could have been a contender .(: So ,I think this is a case of the horse has bolted because 1 the balls are that much lighter and 2 the balls on the ground a lot more than yesteryear .
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