Racism doesn't apply to White people. Who'd have guessed?

Like white lefty hero Stormzy said, 'I'm not anti white, I'm just pro black'.

They love that stuff.....but try saying the reverse.

Buckle up and strap in...the 'whitey bad' messaging is just going to increase and increase.

People who try to create utopias create dystopias.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Being pro White makes you a White supremacist but being pro Black makes you enlightened.

I thought he was superb

I thought he was good value. Made some good points, especially this one

'Sorry, let me rewind. Any of the women. Is that better? Any woman. Because it's really important what your gender is or what your sexuality is rather than what your policies are'

However all that said I do get why minorities who are discriminated against get annoyed when, people who don't or can't fully understand their point of view talk about or try to lecture others about something they have limited experience of. That actually applies to any subject, really.

It's a tricky one though. Go too far left and you get positive discrimination and identity politics, too far right no incentive to equalise and complete dismissal that there is even an issue in the first place.

I also fail to understand how people can claim to say the main reason 'Arry and Markle were 'driven' out of the country was or wasn't racism. I mean, how do you actually know? At least provide some sort of supporting argument. It's ridiculous. Press intrusion, backstory and her being an outsider with, shock horror, her own life and interests (much like Diana), is more likely to be the case.

Unless someone can point me to some observable facts those are far more likely than racism as a single main contributing factor.

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Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

A decent chap who tries to square the circle.....He's trying to stand up for 'colour blind' politics his generation were raised in....which turned out to be a ruse and rather foolish.

He's arguing that it can work, if everyone would just be reasonable. Quite naive if honorable - King Canute ordering the tide to stop.

That's the argument against 'identity politics'. We know that it's the decent one, but it's from the past and it doesn't work.

It seems to me that when it's advantageous to be considered an individual, people argue for individualism for themselves. When it's advantageous to be considered a collective....

What you're stating asks for an impossible unachievable standard that can never be satisfied. Don't get me wrong, I'm against egalitarianism anyway because of quite a few objections I have however....like you I can see the 'fairness' argument.

Well there is of course a solution....which is what is really being asked for.

Give away your 'spoils' lad.

It isn't going to stop at makeshift stop gaps like the 'diversity industry', affirmative action and quotas.

Because that's what It's all about...power, which always comes down to money. You can be part of the shakedown out of some sense of subjective historical racial guilt but just don't require it of others.....because I don't accept the terms.

It's self harming madness and a betrayal of future generations.

I'd say there is a section of the normie right and centralists/egalitarians who genuinely did and still do the 'colour blind' stuff and so as we see with 'Fox'.....and of course there are plenty of sensible non whites who stand for common sense. However, I contend that 'sense' has already lost to demographics.

The Europeans brought into the MLK 'I have a dream' stuff and now the demographics have shifted and like Mohammad..(I'm generalising of course but it's the result all the same)..you play nice when you're weak, but as you become more powerful you don't......Notice that few in the non white community talk about 'I have a dream' anymore? That talk mainly comes from whites who don't realise that this stage has ended and now the activists want to collect.

What you are seeing here is the slow shifting of power.

I'd say that what I've found is that actually both the far left and the far right agree about 'racism'. It's just that they feel differently about it....one being ideological and the other going with controlled tribalism, which is the natural order.

It's the same with class, the fundamentals they both agree on....They just have different solutions.

If you actually want the truth about the politics, the only people who are actually speaking realism are to be found on the far right and left....Maybe I should give a caveat here because you'll still find bats*** crazy stuff there, especially on the left, but that's only because they are more visible due to mainstream institutional and legal acceptance.

The choice really comes with what you think works. I seem to remember you think that it's all heading towards a corporatocracy and in a European/Anglosphere sense we have been building towards that for a century. However, I think long term the power dynamics are not strictly predictable. Some things we can be reasonably sure about and others are mere trends awaiting forks in the road.

Essentially, I think the far left's solutions lead to a far larger pile of bones than the far right's....and that the centralist's path is doomed to the past....With the far left their arguments require the subjugation of human nature to an ideal rather than the flow of natural law.....That will always require more authoritarianism....Both do, but one requires much larger gulags than the other.

But as we are seeing, if you shift the racial demographics you shift the power base. If you shift the power base too much you don't end up with 'equality' you end up with flight and conflict.

Well, as we know we differ on the whole 'racism' discussion, which I regard as an almost child like argument riven with unrealistic idealism.

However, I'd agree of course, that yours and Fox's take is far nearer the mark. The Royal Family is a form of soft padded gilded open prison which requires its inhabitants to follow the rules.....otherwise the conceit doesn't work.

Markle is just another example of a self entitled tart who wants her cake and eat it too. All the upside and no downside. Diana's genes on poor judgement are certainly working through Harry.

The race thing is a factor but with the right person it would have worked.....because essentially Europe is the least in-group (racist) continent on earth.

Much to its current trajectory of long term decline.

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