is Jeremy Corbyn a National-Socialist ?

- denial of free speech? check
- intolerance of differences of opinion ? check
- friend of IRA ? check
- lack of respect for democracy ? check

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

As a theory Communism sounds harmless and benign. "Each according to his needs".

In practice of course this means that those who have wealth are required to give it up to the state so it can be reallocated to the poor.

What do you do if the wealthy refuse to do this voluntarily?

Therein lies the problem.

The next issue is that if the individual owns nothing as it belongs to the state then productivity declines significantly.

There is no incentive for an individual to work hard and efficiently as it only benefits the state and not them. We are by nature selfish and want to do well for ourselves and our family.

In Cuba they have a saying "They (the state) pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."

One thing I do agree with the communists is that they have a more equal society. Yup most people are dirt poor.

Edited by Badger11 (09 Sep 2019 8.16am)

One more point

Historically The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels was written for highly industrialised countries. The two examples used were Britain and Germany. There were millionaire factory owners, financiers and bankers whilst the conditions for the poor were likened to hell. Tenements where perhaps eighty or more people would live in one house were the norm. There wasn't necessarily toilets or running water. In that case had the millions been taken from the richest then it was likely to be better for everyone.
Russia and China were peasant countries with the odd large farmer and small aristocracies. Distribute the wealth and everyone is poor - as we pretty much saw happen.
Someone above mentions 'what about when the rich don't want to share their wealth'. Marx and Engels clearly stated the poor would become class conscious and take by force - as we saw in Russia and China.
I suppose the interesting part of communism is what would it be like in a rich country? If everyone were well off, who would bother working anymore? There is enough money in the UK for every person to be a millionaire, yet if everyone were a millionaire what would be the point? Some interesting conundrums.
Although Corbyn may be a bit of a loony lefty, I don't quite think that Labour is some kind of Communist party. Champagne socialism and liberal guilt, along with a hatred of Israel seem to keep them going.

Red and Blue Army!

It's not corbyn who is the issue.
It's his underlings who are the proper loonoes
McDonald and his crew.
JC will be on his ear within 8 months if labour get in at the moment.
Then the real fun will start.
If you think getting poorer is fun that is!

I'm sort of in agreement with the attitudes to socialism/communism, but, if you take Marx's criticisms of the capitalist ideology, he's pretty much spot on.
I think a type of communism will come into effect at some point, probably in the next 200 to 300 years, when automation really comes into play. I think by that point, if technology is really advanced we will probably all be downloaded onto a hard drive and will be able to move from robot to robot. Radical, I suppose, but this stuff is already happening.

The obvious problem with 'socialism', is that it is always linked to communism, hence the bad press, but I don't think many would complain about having an NHS and to be fair, there is more hysteria around 'democracy' than the doubling of our debt in a few months by gifting the banks their bailouts.

I think my main issue with the current system is this; If I've made £100m in this country, then I should be expected to pay my country's % share of tax, because, this country has put everything in place for me to at least succeed. Would James Dyson have been able to create his vacuums in North Korea? No, so pay your taxes. We can talk about how those taxes are spent, but to have a society where you pay less tax the wealthier you are is a bit backwards.

I'm neither for or against capitalism or socialism, I would prefer a decent conversion about policies could be had in the public and parliamentary environments instead of the Oxbridge debating teams winding all of us up.

Haha.
Didn't want to go down the 'we could all be dead in 10 years because of nuclear war' route. I try to be optimistic.

The US is going to be interesting for sure. The BRICS are buying up gold left right and center and getting rid of US Bonds (Mainly China). If we get to a point where we go off the $ as the global currency and they don't have a different solution they can use to control the World then nuclear war will be here sooner than we think.

I do agree that the old 70s socialist ideas should stay there. Maybe there are a few that could still be implemented, but we need new ideas.