Despite the United win, we are bang in trouble. Hodgson is on a tight rope and the players need to sort themselves out.

Deeply embarrassed by tonight’s result

We've had a point to prove at home for ages, but Roy isn't, on the evidence, likely to be able to do it.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

You make good points, only there are tweaks and things possible during matches that are never done. Swapping Zaha and Townsend, earlier subs, not just like for like and sometimes more defensive.

You’re right that Roy has had to work with little money, but it’ll be frustrating again if it’s just accepted we don’t pick up a point or 3 in any of f our league games because plan A didn’t work that week and the next and next home game. That’s very different to when Roy came in and had it even worse if you count no striker (Benteke) at all being worse and Zaha and Townsend aiming to arrive in the box.

COYP

Villa look very good on the break, so they will probably be happy to let us come onto them. If that happens I think we'll lose. Hopefully we go with 4-5-1/4-3-3 approach again. If we shut down the midfield we should get at least a draw. The depressing thing is the only way I see us winning is by playing a slightly negative game.

I wouldn't read too much into last night as we were sh*t in almost every Carabao Cup game last season, we just dragged our depressing performances out over a few games. The players tend to look incredibly unmotivated and unprepared in the CC which probably points to how much the management care about it. For Roy it was probably more like giving a pre-season to some of the new boys and a signal to the board that they should have signed some fullbacks.

Palace struggling to score a single goal and playing without any real heart? You can expect that performance for most of the season.

Not sure what your optimism is based on?

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Listening to the post-match news conference Roy said Ward and Schlupp were carrying injuries. In the case of the former I hope it doesn't keep him out of Saturday given how well Kelly played alongside Cahill and our lack of other options. The highlights suggest Camarasa has the ability to create us chances (albeit this was against L2 opposition)