Difficult to see any progress being made. A country happy to see children in schools routinely murdered by psychopaths because of ‘muh Freedom and muh rights’. It’s tragic and completely avoidable. These latest 2 are sad but unsurprising.

No he didn’t. He said he supported control measures when asked, but then said he didn’t and would veto any. Two bipartisan bills passed the House but are blocked in the Senate as Trump has said he will veto them.

In what other countries can one walk into a supermarket and buy a semi-automatic pistol or an assault rifle. Or, go to a gun show (or private party sale) and purchase an assault rifle without a background check or ID?

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

We need to remember this the next time Trump lashes out at Khan about London's knife crime.

Some thoughts.

A Muslim shooter is thought to be a terrorist and 1.8 billion people are implicated in their crime.

A black skinned shooter is normally thought to be a gang member.

A professional shooter is thought to be a hero.

A white skinned shooter is thought to be a mentally ill lone wolf.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

This is all just politics.

Reality is reality. Spin is spin.

Was ISIS a figment of someone's imagination?

How many gun crimes involving Black people were gang related?
There are facts available.

Like I say its been a while since I've paid attention to us law.

I also said similar laws, not identical.
The Czech Republic & Poland both have pretty relaxed gun laws, for example you can carry two concealed weapons in the Czech Republic & most bars you frequent out in that region will have signs on the entrances amusingly saying no guns/knives/samurai swords/tnt etc.

Take a look on Wikipedia for a breakdown/be a pedant.

I'm keen on a fabarms stf12 myself although will probably end up with a hunting rifle as I want nothing to do with the factory farmed meat you get in supermarkets.

Also the AR in AR15 doesn't mean Assault Rifle it means Armalite (the company that owns the patent)

Edited by Ouzo Dan (04 Aug 2019 4.37pm)

The mountains are calling & I must go.

Like everything it was until it wasn't. Just like this guy taking people out. Idea turned reality.

I have little doubt that the messaging and language from the top has encouraged and been the impetus for some of these events, but ultimately there's not much anyone can do about that and it's not as if any one factor or change will stop such mass shootings.

Just like the gun situation really. With all the will in the world there are hundreds of millions of guns in the US and whole industries and organisations designed to ensure that doesn't change in any meaningless way. On one hand mass shootings create a call for action on guns, in another they desensitize, normalise, and act as a motivator for copycat types to get their racist or jihadist manifesto out there depending on what shade of d!ckhead is doing the shooting.