25 years ago this society would of been carted off to a hospital or asylum.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I've been quite vocally against trans athletes gaining athletic advantage on here of late, but as a point regarding people simply existing I'll state my view.

I do think trans issues are a weird one to get your head around, because most people for the most part feel very home in their own body. For want of a better explanation though, it does appear that some feel the very opposite, as if some kind of internal schema results in a flicked switch that is unlikely to switch back. From that perspective I'd rather someone become as close to their idea of who they are, and make Youtube videos about the realities of that, than be some kind of tortured wreck in a room. There's significant politicisation in both directions as you demonstrate, but that's of limited use when it comes their actual reality.

Clearly there's plenty of issues about younger people and hormones and that whole mess, but this person as an adult making the choices that they have, may well be doing 'the right thing' based on how they feel about it and the parameters that are set for them. As in, in their shoes you may well have done the same thing. So from that perspective, who cares if someone else is unhappy with it, or looks to an era where someone would be classified as insane, just because that's more comforting than appreciating their point of view.

Perhaps it's not a great idea to think that someone should be sectioned and considered mad if we aren't well aligned with them. Life is long enough that eventually we ourselves may be considered to be that person at some point.. and in that place and at that time, we'd very much be hoping for a take on us that involved thought and consideration, rather than the opposite.

Edited by dollardays (01 Aug 2019 2.24am)

I should hope NOT!

Historical note: the asylums were all closed by 25 years ago. 30-35 years works!

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I will after my morning sickness subsides!!

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Is it not possible their mental illness stems from the fact they don’t feel at home in the own body?

I don’t do a great deal about trans people, but it seems quite obvious that someone going through that sort of battle internally is going to have issues with mental health - by ‘not enabling them to chop their codgers off’ how are we helping that?

Morning Chris. I don’t have to point out the absurdity of your post to you as you know exactly what you are doing

For the record, who knows what is chicken and what is egg. Finding yourself with gender dysphoria must create many emotional and psychological pressures. I knew someone who suddenly developed it after having cancer. Simply became female. Most unexpected, a more macho bloke would have been hard to find.