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TheBigToePunt 21 Apr 19 6.51pm | |
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This doesn't even take into account today's fine win at Arsenal: If you look up the previous five seasons we've been in the league, the tables looks similar. The team has been a counter attacking one since Freedman put it together in the championship, making us better suited to away wins than home ones (drastically so, plainly) and every attempt since then to change playing style has led to burnt fingers. Personally, if 8 years ago I'd have been offered promotion followed by six years of what's on the link, including a cup final, a new training ground and new main stand on the way, I'd have bit your hand off. Just take a minute to think back to where we actually were. At the same time, most of us watch the team at home of course, and it hasn't always been easy. So, honestly, would you have taken what we got? Would you prefer to see them winning championship home games? Would you be happy with another few years of the same? Makes you think. Well, it's made me think anyway, but then I've had a beer on account of the great away win today...
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Apr 19 7.00pm | |
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The Premier League was always our target. To remain in it and continue to be part of it was always our Holy Grail. However, now we seem to think either our grail is sullied or we'd like a couple of diamonds added to it.
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Goal Machine The Cronx 21 Apr 19 9.12pm | |
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I think we’ve become victims of our own success. Like the above, the dream was to get to the Prem, now we’ve achieved it and been here so long it’s become a bit dull. Mid table obscurity is not a fun place to be, my interest switched off about 6 weeks ago and that’s never happened. There is so much negativity around. People on some threads are even criticising Hodgson which is frankly mind blowing. He’s the ultimate gent and has us firing. It’s the best Palace team I’ve ever seen. Possibly 50 points this season. Atmosphere is getting gradually worse as there is a sense of entitlement now. Tourists wearing a half and half scarves. Perhaps the next dream is Europa League/winning a cup. Would I change the last 8 years... undecided. Beating Brighton in the playoffs and Puncheon scoring in the cup final will stay with me forever, but the Championship was more fun.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Apr 19 9.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
I think we’ve become victims of our own success. Like the above, the dream was to get to the Prem, now we’ve achieved it and been here so long it’s become a bit dull. Mid table obscurity is not a fun place to be, my interest switched off about 6 weeks ago and that’s never happened. There is so much negativity around. People on some threads are even criticising Hodgson which is frankly mind blowing. He’s the ultimate gent and has us firing. It’s the best Palace team I’ve ever seen. Possibly 50 points this season. Atmosphere is getting gradually worse as there is a sense of entitlement now. Tourists wearing a half and half scarves. Perhaps the next dream is Europa League/winning a cup. Would I change the last 8 years... undecided. Beating Brighton in the playoffs and Puncheon scoring in the cup final will stay with me forever, but the Championship was more fun. ‘Hodgson has us firing.’ Are you sure? I understand why Parish wants Hodgson and thinks he’s good for us from a business angle compared to some of the managerial errors there have been at other clubs, but having us firing? Really? You may have convinced yourself of this somehow. Atmosphere has gradually got worse because of the length of time we’ve been here but also because of the nature of the football. There’s little excitement. And mid table obscurity. Again, really? It’s only at the end of the season when catch opposition winding down that we propel ourselves up the table to 11th-12th. Before then we’re hovering just above or in the relegation zone or relegation battle at best. Again, I completely understand why Parish is likely to stick with Hodgson until Hodgson can’t or doesn’t want to continue but I can’t pretend it’s not boring. I’ll still pay my money but I’m bored and don’t have the passion or excitement I’ve always had. In answer to the original question, yes, I would’ve signed up for it. Counter attacking football is modern day equivalent of long ball or Coppell type whack it to Wright or Bright from wherever you think you can pick them out. We do now play with more possession but Roy can’t make it effective without the quality of RLC or 3 high quality offensive players behind the forward, but then he doesn’t play to the forward’s strengths and then the problems of how and why the players we’ve signed are here. A lot of disjointed stuff as usual. Being in a full Selhurst be the best is better than a half empty one with about 100 home fans instead of loads more Palace fans and tourists but I understand the frustration of the tourists.
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midlandspalace kidderminster 22 Apr 19 11.59am | |
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I suspect that people's views on this will vary according to their age and length of support for Palace. There will be some who have no experience of being in the top division until this spell. It is hugely understandable that they would like us to kick on. All I would say to them is look what happened to many of the clubs of our size who thought they were "established", then tried to "kick on", such as Charlton or Bolton. For those of us with a longer perspective (I have been watching since 1963) this is the first time we have had so many years in the top flight. Previously we had four years from 69-73, being thrashed every week by other London teams especially (watching The Big Match with Brian Moore was a nightmare). We had the occasional high, such as beating Man Utd 5-0 in Dec 72, but we still got relegated that season, and the one after for good measure. We then had two seasons with "the team of the 80s", so tragically ruined and broken up by Venables, and slipped down two divisions again. The late 80s/early 90s spell was a highlight, Wright/Bright, cup final, finishing 3rd, almost a team full of internationals, but we still slipped away after 4 seasons. After that the yoyo existence, up/down/up down etc . So, we have now had six full seasons in the top flight, and this season have beaten four of the top ten away from home. We won at Manchester City, the moneybags team, the only team to take even a point from there. We won at Arsenal, for the first time in 25 years. I know the home form has been disappointing, but this is nirvana compared with the past. Be careful what you wish for, and enjoy it whilst you have it.
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PZ Eagle Penzance 22 Apr 19 12.26pm | |
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Originally posted by midlandspalace
I suspect that people's views on this will vary according to their age and length of support for Palace. There will be some who have no experience of being in the top division until this spell. It is hugely understandable that they would like us to kick on. All I would say to them is look what happened to many of the clubs of our size who thought they were "established", then tried to "kick on", such as Charlton or Bolton. For those of us with a longer perspective (I have been watching since 1963) this is the first time we have had so many years in the top flight. Previously we had four years from 69-73, being thrashed every week by other London teams especially (watching The Big Match with Brian Moore was a nightmare). We had the occasional high, such as beating Man Utd 5-0 in Dec 72, but we still got relegated that season, and the one after for good measure. We then had two seasons with "the team of the 80s", so tragically ruined and broken up by Venables, and slipped down two divisions again. The late 80s/early 90s spell was a highlight, Wright/Bright, cup final, finishing 3rd, almost a team full of internationals, but we still slipped away after 4 seasons. After that the yoyo existence, up/down/up down etc . So, we have now had six full seasons in the top flight, and this season have beaten four of the top ten away from home. We won at Manchester City, the moneybags team, the only team to take even a point from there. We won at Arsenal, for the first time in 25 years. I know the home form has been disappointing, but this is nirvana compared with the past. Be careful what you wish for, and enjoy it whilst you have it. That's a far too sensible and reasoned post for this forum!!
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RH8Eagle Oxted 22 Apr 19 12.36pm | |
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Yes I would sign up again and I am as addicted as ever. The home form obviously has been disappointing lately but could possibly get better with a couple of right fit signings. I would add that away games have a completely different feel and perhaps more people should travel a bit more to give a more balanced feel to things. I know some tickets are hard to get but the Arsenal tickets were available for ages and even if we had lost it would be an ok day out but it was in fact fantastic and keeps me coming back for more.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Apr 19 1.10pm | |
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Originally posted by midlandspalace
I suspect that people's views on this will vary according to their age and length of support for Palace. There will be some who have no experience of being in the top division until this spell. It is hugely understandable that they would like us to kick on. All I would say to them is look what happened to many of the clubs of our size who thought they were "established", then tried to "kick on", such as Charlton or Bolton. For those of us with a longer perspective (I have been watching since 1963) this is the first time we have had so many years in the top flight. Previously we had four years from 69-73, being thrashed every week by other London teams especially (watching The Big Match with Brian Moore was a nightmare). We had the occasional high, such as beating Man Utd 5-0 in Dec 72, but we still got relegated that season, and the one after for good measure. We then had two seasons with "the team of the 80s", so tragically ruined and broken up by Venables, and slipped down two divisions again. The late 80s/early 90s spell was a highlight, Wright/Bright, cup final, finishing 3rd, almost a team full of internationals, but we still slipped away after 4 seasons. After that the yoyo existence, up/down/up down etc . So, we have now had six full seasons in the top flight, and this season have beaten four of the top ten away from home. We won at Manchester City, the moneybags team, the only team to take even a point from there. We won at Arsenal, for the first time in 25 years. I know the home form has been disappointing, but this is nirvana compared with the past. Be careful what you wish for, and enjoy it whilst you have it. Almost exactly the way I see it with just a small difference. Some of those that want us to '' kick on '' simply do not understand the broader picture but instead are content to just lay blame on Roy Hodgson and / or Steve Parish when it suits them. Even yesterday's win was met with yet more criticism rather than focusing on the positives. I suspect that if we finished in that Holy Grail position of 8th for a few seasons in a row they would then complain about the lack of progression above that.
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ChrisGC Wantage 22 Apr 19 1.14pm | |
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Originally posted by midlandspalace
I suspect that people's views on this will vary according to their age and length of support for Palace. There will be some who have no experience of being in the top division until this spell. It is hugely understandable that they would like us to kick on. All I would say to them is look what happened to many of the clubs of our size who thought they were "established", then tried to "kick on", such as Charlton or Bolton. For those of us with a longer perspective (I have been watching since 1963) this is the first time we have had so many years in the top flight. Previously we had four years from 69-73, being thrashed every week by other London teams especially (watching The Big Match with Brian Moore was a nightmare). We had the occasional high, such as beating Man Utd 5-0 in Dec 72, but we still got relegated that season, and the one after for good measure. We then had two seasons with "the team of the 80s", so tragically ruined and broken up by Venables, and slipped down two divisions again. The late 80s/early 90s spell was a highlight, Wright/Bright, cup final, finishing 3rd, almost a team full of internationals, but we still slipped away after 4 seasons. After that the yoyo existence, up/down/up down etc . So, we have now had six full seasons in the top flight, and this season have beaten four of the top ten away from home. We won at Manchester City, the moneybags team, the only team to take even a point from there. We won at Arsenal, for the first time in 25 years. I know the home form has been disappointing, but this is nirvana compared with the past. Be careful what you wish for, and enjoy it whilst you have it. With absolutely no respect for your lack of ambition born from a personal fear of failure, none of that is relevant. Be careful what you wish for is a self fulfilling prophecy. As is enjoy it whilst it lasts. You seem certain in your own mind that we will go down eventually, what a bleak outlook. Why bother supporting Palace through all those years of s***e just to wait for the day that the bad times return? Shades of Stockholm syndrome. In fairness, I agree, relegation is coming so we should enjoy negative football and 4 home wins a season whilst we can. Eventually we will go back down with an incompetent board and mediocre manager kept in jobs by fans with small-team mentality. I predict next season. Then it's not a case as "be careful what you wish for", more "what might have been". And as for this: look at Charlton bull s***, can we all have more respect for ourselves than to keep trotting this out? f*** Charlton, their history has absolutely no baring on our future. If we're going to trot out irrelevant and unrelated club histories to compare our own ambitions against, why not Barcelona? We could be the next Barcelona as much as we could be the next bloody Charlton. It's all about attitude.
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ChrisGC Wantage 22 Apr 19 1.17pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Almost exactly the way I see it with just a small difference. Some of those that want us to '' kick on '' simply do not understand the broader picture but instead are content to just lay blame on Roy Hodgson and / or Steve Parish when it suits them. Even yesterday's win was met with yet more criticism rather than focusing on the positives. I suspect that if we finished in that Holy Grail position of 8th for a few seasons in a row they would then complain about the lack of progression above that. Absolutely! Nothing wrong with ambition. You and the fear mongers would still be saying "remember Charlton". I know which mindset I'd rather have. Pathetic.
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crvenaeagle 22 Apr 19 1.51pm | |
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Mid-table obscurity is indeed dull. Imagine being an Everton fan! Year after year of 9th place finishes. I've often wondered how they (the fans) do it.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Apr 19 2.03pm | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Absolutely! Nothing wrong with ambition. You and the fear mongers would still be saying "remember Charlton". I know which mindset I'd rather have. Pathetic. Nothing wrong with ambition ? I couldn't agree more. I've been ambitious in my professional life and I've done ok. But it has to be realistic . Charlton are often quoted as it's the most memorable example of a club of then similar size. A friend of mine was on the Board when Curbishly was ousted because of people like you demanding more without having a clue as to the difficulties associated with doing so. If you hadn't noticed, the effects of that decision are still being felt at Charlton today. For Palace the first priority is to stay in the Premier League. Win that race to X number of points and then push on. I'm willing to bet that is the same at a good number of other clubs. Then you have those with massive financial means - West Ham, Everton, Leicester and Wolves that have ' achieved ' little more than upper mid table. Only Watford have been the exception and they have 7 points more than us. In theory we could end the season on that number or not far adrift. If that's not good enough for you and your ambitions, you do have a choice as you well know. Anyway, it's actually pointless trying to debate anything with you because you have your own agenda and do not respect any other views other than your own. Now that is pathetic.
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