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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 8.22pm
Ok once we leave the EU what policies should we follow? we will have a massive trade deficit diminishing GDP (at least for 50 years according to JRM); how do we improve our position or try to pair down cost further after a decade of austerity. Personally, the easiest is to grasp the nettle of state sector gold plated pensions, and cut all pensions whether in payment or not by 50%, and removing all pensions from those that can't pass an ESA test prior to age 67. That would save the UK over a trillion, but not a move for an electable government but May isn't electable.. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 8.22pm

Ok once we leave the EU what policies should we follow?

we will have a massive trade deficit diminishing GDP (at least for 50 years according to JRM); how do we improve our position or try to pair down cost further after a decade of austerity.

Personally, the easiest is to grasp the nettle of state sector gold plated pensions, and cut all pensions whether in payment or not by 50%, and removing all pensions from those that can't pass an ESA test prior to age 67.

That would save the UK over a trillion, but not a move for an electable government but May isn't electable..

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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cryrst The garden of England 17 Jan 19 8.42pm
Originally posted by pefwin Ok once we leave the EU what policies should we follow? we will have a massive trade deficit diminishing GDP (at least for 50 years according to JRM); how do we improve our position or try to pair down cost further after a decade of austerity. Personally, the easiest is to grasp the nettle of state sector gold plated pensions, and cut all pensions whether in payment or not by 50%, and removing all pensions from those that can't pass an ESA test prior to age 67. That would save the UK over a trillion, but not a move for an electable government but May isn't electable.. Wtf How socialist can you be. I guess that would help all the people who never have or never want to help themselves.
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The garden of England 17 Jan 19 8.42pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Ok once we leave the EU what policies should we follow?

we will have a massive trade deficit diminishing GDP (at least for 50 years according to JRM); how do we improve our position or try to pair down cost further after a decade of austerity.

That would save the UK over a trillion, but not a move for an electable government but May isn't electable..

Wtf
How socialist can you be.
I guess that would help all the people who never have or never want to help themselves.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 8.59pm
Originally posted by cryrst Wtf How socialist can you be. I guess that would help all the people who never have or never want to help themselves. I agree, it is not like they ( based on what you are saying : the socialist scum) saved like a private sector employee. those who sit back in the public sector biding time and drinking tea. It's a known "truism", about employees in the state sector or public owned companies like Leyland or the coal mining industry in the 80s. Any way nice to see no ideas so far. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 8.59pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Wtf
How socialist can you be.
I guess that would help all the people who never have or never want to help themselves.

I agree, it is not like they ( based on what you are saying : the socialist scum) saved like a private sector employee.

those who sit back in the public sector biding time and drinking tea. It's a known "truism", about employees in the state sector or public owned companies like Leyland or the coal mining industry in the 80s.

Any way nice to see no ideas so far.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Badger11 Beckenham 17 Jan 19 9.04pm
Originally posted by pefwin Ok once we leave the EU what policies should we follow? we will have a massive trade deficit diminishing GDP (at least for 50 years according to JRM); how do we improve our position or try to pair down cost further after a decade of austerity. Personally, the easiest is to grasp the nettle of state sector gold plated pensions, and cut all pensions whether in payment or not by 50%, and removing all pensions from those that can't pass an ESA test prior to age 67. That would save the UK over a trillion, but not a move for an electable government but May isn't electable.. Wow this wasn't my first thought but I admire your courage as politicians are apt to say. My thoughts in no particular order: - Reduce the foreign aid budget to emergency assistance only. In return agree free trade deals with key countries that will lose out on the money. Help them grow their way out of poverty. - Delegate most powers returned from the EU back to national assemblies, return power closer to the people. - Reform VAT e.g. tampon tax and other anomalies. Look to reduce the tax when we can afford it. - Tax breaks for companies that invest in technology and training. - Proper apprenticeship schemes - Digital tax on Facebook etc. If you want to book your profits in Luxembourg then F off there. Otherwise pay tax in the UK. - Scrap HS2 to save money. - Scrap Trident if a cheaper nuclear option is available e.g. missiles launched from aircraft? - Replace the Human rights bill with a UK bill of rights and responsibilities. - Incentivize students to take degrees in skills that the nation needs by forgiving student loans e.g. Doctors, Nurses. - Rename St Pancreas Station Brexit Central just to p*ss off the French when they arrive by Eurostar. That all for now I must admit not much though and no costing. One more point
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Beckenham 17 Jan 19 9.04pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Ok once we leave the EU what policies should we follow?

we will have a massive trade deficit diminishing GDP (at least for 50 years according to JRM); how do we improve our position or try to pair down cost further after a decade of austerity.

That would save the UK over a trillion, but not a move for an electable government but May isn't electable..

Wow this wasn't my first thought but I admire your courage as politicians are apt to say.

My thoughts in no particular order:

- Reduce the foreign aid budget to emergency assistance only. In return agree free trade deals with key countries that will lose out on the money. Help them grow their way out of poverty.

- Delegate most powers returned from the EU back to national assemblies, return power closer to the people.

- Reform VAT e.g. tampon tax and other anomalies. Look to reduce the tax when we can afford it.

- Tax breaks for companies that invest in technology and training.

- Proper apprenticeship schemes

- Digital tax on Facebook etc. If you want to book your profits in Luxembourg then F off there. Otherwise pay tax in the UK.

- Scrap HS2 to save money.

- Scrap Trident if a cheaper nuclear option is available e.g. missiles launched from aircraft?

- Replace the Human rights bill with a UK bill of rights and responsibilities.

- Incentivize students to take degrees in skills that the nation needs by forgiving student loans e.g. Doctors, Nurses.

- Rename St Pancreas Station Brexit Central just to p*ss off the French when they arrive by Eurostar.

That all for now I must admit not much though and no costing.

One more point

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 9.12pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Wow this wasn't my first thought but I admire your courage as politicians are apt to say. My thoughts in no particular order: - Reduce the foreign aid budget to emergency assistance only. In return agree free trade deals with key countries that will lose out on the money. Help them grow their way out of poverty. - Delegate most powers returned from the EU back to national assemblies, return power closer to the people. - Reform VAT e.g. tampon tax and other anomalies. Look to reduce the tax when we can afford it. - Tax breaks for companies that invest in technology and training. - Proper apprenticeship schemes - Digital tax on Facebook etc. If you want to book your profits in Luxembourg then F off there. Otherwise pay tax in the UK. - Scrap HS2 to save money. - Scrap Trident if a cheaper nuclear option is available e.g. missiles launched from aircraft? - Replace the Human rights bill with a UK bill of rights and responsibilities. - Incentivize students to take degrees in skills that the nation needs by forgiving student loans e.g. Doctors, Nurses. - Rename St Pancreas Station Brexit Central just to p*ss off the French when they arrive by Eurostar. That all for now I must admit not much though and no costing. My initial idea was meant to be stimulating ideas, bit blue sky, bit out of the box. some good ideas in there, some won't generate GDP, but intersteting : scraping HS2 will save loadsa money, personally I think we need Trident ( not the gum) and a strong military to maintain our global place and security council place. Students, not everyone needs a degree and a return to 70s levels seems correct but funding for voacational courses and further tax breaks for apprenticeships. Indeed I would also put at least a couple of pennies on lower rate income tax to pay for a stronger military and associated science research. Edited by pefwin (17 Jan 2019 9.13pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 9.12pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Wow this wasn't my first thought but I admire your courage as politicians are apt to say.

My thoughts in no particular order:

- Reduce the foreign aid budget to emergency assistance only. In return agree free trade deals with key countries that will lose out on the money. Help them grow their way out of poverty.

- Delegate most powers returned from the EU back to national assemblies, return power closer to the people.

- Reform VAT e.g. tampon tax and other anomalies. Look to reduce the tax when we can afford it.

- Tax breaks for companies that invest in technology and training.

- Proper apprenticeship schemes

- Digital tax on Facebook etc. If you want to book your profits in Luxembourg then F off there. Otherwise pay tax in the UK.

- Scrap HS2 to save money.

- Scrap Trident if a cheaper nuclear option is available e.g. missiles launched from aircraft?

- Replace the Human rights bill with a UK bill of rights and responsibilities.

- Incentivize students to take degrees in skills that the nation needs by forgiving student loans e.g. Doctors, Nurses.

- Rename St Pancreas Station Brexit Central just to p*ss off the French when they arrive by Eurostar.

That all for now I must admit not much though and no costing.

My initial idea was meant to be stimulating ideas, bit blue sky, bit out of the box.

some good ideas in there, some won't generate GDP, but intersteting : scraping HS2 will save loadsa money, personally I think we need Trident ( not the gum) and a strong military to maintain our global place and security council place.

Students, not everyone needs a degree and a return to 70s levels seems correct but funding for voacational courses and further tax breaks for apprenticeships.

Indeed I would also put at least a couple of pennies on lower rate income tax to pay for a stronger military and associated science research.

Edited by pefwin (17 Jan 2019 9.13pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Lyons550 Shirley 17 Jan 19 9.16pm
For me its just as much about focusing internally, as externally. We need to become a little more self reliant on energy, manufacturing and agriculture...we export most of the latter two, so lets start buying british again. The economy is over reliant on the finance sector so we also need a way to wean oursleves off of it and re balance the economy accordingly. Infrastructure investment and changes are also a must...for me the northern powerhouse would need real investment to again, better balance the economy and redistribute wealth the country has. I also like Badgers thoughts on Apprenticeships....and lets shake up the Parlimentary structure...get rid of the stodgy out of touch f***ers and have something a little more dynamic and forward thinking! Edited by Lyons550 (17 Jan 2019 9.38pm) The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 17 Jan 19 9.16pm

For me its just as much about focusing internally, as externally. We need to become a little more self reliant on energy, manufacturing and agriculture...we export most of the latter two, so lets start buying british again.

The economy is over reliant on the finance sector so we also need a way to wean oursleves off of it and re balance the economy accordingly.

Infrastructure investment and changes are also a must...for me the northern powerhouse would need real investment to again, better balance the economy and redistribute wealth the country has.

I also like Badgers thoughts on Apprenticeships....and lets shake up the Parlimentary structure...get rid of the stodgy out of touch f***ers and have something a little more dynamic and forward thinking!

Edited by Lyons550 (17 Jan 2019 9.38pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 17 Jan 19 9.43pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 For me its just as much about focusing internally, as externally. We need to become a little more self reliant on energy, manufacturing and agriculture...we export most of the latter two, so lets start buying british again. The economy is over reliant on the finance sector so we also need a way to wean oursleves off of it and re balance the economy accordingly. Infrastructure investment and changes are also a must...for me the northern powerhouse would need real investment to again, better balance the economy and redistribute wealth the country has. I also like Badgers thoughts on Apprenticeships....and lets shake up the Parlimentary structure...get rid of the stodgy out of touch f***ers and have something a little more dynamic and forward thinking! Edited by Lyons550 (17 Jan 2019 9.38pm) The northern powerhouse of sunderland has had about £600 m from eu grants. Do you think that will be given once we are out. I think not as we will be giving £350m p/w to the nhs! According to the brexit politicians.
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The garden of England 17 Jan 19 9.43pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

The economy is over reliant on the finance sector so we also need a way to wean oursleves off of it and re balance the economy accordingly.

Infrastructure investment and changes are also a must...for me the northern powerhouse would need real investment to again, better balance the economy and redistribute wealth the country has.

Edited by Lyons550 (17 Jan 2019 9.38pm)

The northern powerhouse of sunderland has had about £600 m from eu grants.
Do you think that will be given once we are out.
I think not as we will be giving £350m p/w to the nhs!
According to the brexit politicians.

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Lyons550 Shirley 17 Jan 19 9.49pm
Originally posted by cryrst The northern powerhouse of sunderland has had about £600 m from eu grants. Do you think that will be given once we are out. I think not as we will be giving £350m p/w to the nhs! According to the brexit politicians. I'm getting the sense that you may disagree...... The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 17 Jan 19 9.49pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I'm getting the sense that you may disagree......

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becky over the moon 17 Jan 19 9.52pm
Originally posted by cryrst The northern powerhouse of sunderland has had about £600 m from eu grants. Do you think that will be given once we are out. I think not as we will be giving £350m p/w to the nhs! According to the brexit politicians. An oft misquoted slogan on the side of the Brexit bus - it actually said "Let's fund our NHS instead" Not let's give it all to the NHS or we will give it all to the NHS........ A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 17 Jan 19 9.52pm

Originally posted by cryrst

An oft misquoted slogan on the side of the Brexit bus - it actually said "Let's fund our NHS instead" Not let's give it all to the NHS or we will give it all to the NHS........

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 10.06pm
Originally posted by becky An oft misquoted slogan on the side of the Brexit bus - it actually said "Let's fund our NHS instead" Not let's give it all to the NHS or we will give it all to the NHS........ Attachment: buffoon.jxr (91.42Kb) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 10.06pm

Originally posted by becky

An oft misquoted slogan on the side of the Brexit bus - it actually said "Let's fund our NHS instead" Not let's give it all to the NHS or we will give it all to the NHS........

Attachment: buffoon.jxr (91.42Kb)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Badger11 Beckenham 17 Jan 19 10.09pm
Originally posted by cryrst The northern powerhouse of sunderland has had about £600 m from eu grants. Do you think that will be given once we are out. I think not as we will be giving £350m p/w to the nhs! According to the brexit politicians. To back up Becky's comments this wasn't a government promise. The main Brexit group made a promise which as they are not the government they could never keep. And then the government recently increased the funding to the NHS to about that level. But this is the post Brexit thread so my bad. Some good suggestions here I really do believe that after a few bumpy months we will be fine. The next challenge will be to find a government that has a vision sadly lacking at the moment. One more point
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Beckenham 17 Jan 19 10.09pm

Originally posted by cryrst

To back up Becky's comments this wasn't a government promise. The main Brexit group made a promise which as they are not the government they could never keep. And then the government recently increased the funding to the NHS to about that level.

But this is the post Brexit thread so my bad.

Some good suggestions here I really do believe that after a few bumpy months we will be fine. The next challenge will be to find a government that has a vision sadly lacking at the moment.

One more point

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cryrst The garden of England 17 Jan 19 10.14pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 I'm getting the sense that you may disagree...... Might not. I voted remain so my colours to the mast. As i see it from the 13 odd billion to the eu we got back about 7-8 b in one way or another. So we were about 6 billion out of pocket per year. Bear in mind that in 2017 approx 900billion went through the governments accounts. 6 billion is about 0.75% Would you miss that from your wages. £7.50p per thousand. Thats a scale that no one thought of. I truly hope it goes ok but fear it wont.
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The garden of England 17 Jan 19 10.14pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

I'm getting the sense that you may disagree......

Might not.
I voted remain so my colours to the mast.
As i see it from the 13 odd billion to the eu we got back about 7-8 b in one way or another.
So we were about 6 billion out of pocket per year.
Bear in mind that in 2017 approx 900billion went through the governments accounts.
6 billion is about 0.75%
Would you miss that from your wages.
£7.50p per thousand.
Thats a scale that no one thought of.
I truly hope it goes ok but fear it wont.

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