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HKOwen Hong Kong 11 Nov 18 3.07am
Absolutely typical Palace premier league season. "Our manager has gone from saviour to useless in less than a year." { I don't agree with this but is becoming more widespread on forums ) We don't have fit specialist goal scorer Hoped that we finally won't be in relegation dog fight again dashed before Christmas That's pretty much the three basic components of a Palace PL season ( one season under Pardew we had a good first half then s*** second half of the season Last time I remember us having an effective , fit scorer was Murray when we were in Championship. 2017/18 Luka Milivojevic Total 10 (League 10, Cup 0) 2016/17 Christian Benteke 17 (15, 2) 2015/16 Dwight Gayle 7 (3, 4) 2014/15 Dwight Gayle 10 (5, 5) 2013/14 Dwight Gayle 8 (7, 1) 2012/13 Glenn Murray 31 (30, 1) 2011/12 Darren Ambrose 10 (7, 3) We have not consistently had a striker who gets 10+ a season in PL games, only Benteke outlier season in 2016/17 __________________ Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 11 Nov 18 3.07am

Absolutely typical Palace premier league season.

"Our manager has gone from saviour to useless in less than a year." { I don't agree with this but is becoming more widespread on forums )

We don't have fit specialist goal scorer

Hoped that we finally won't be in relegation dog fight again dashed before Christmas

That's pretty much the three basic components of a Palace PL season ( one season under Pardew we had a good first half then s*** second half of the season

Last time I remember us having an effective , fit scorer was Murray when we were in Championship.
2017/18 Luka Milivojevic Total 10 (League 10, Cup 0)

2016/17 Christian Benteke 17 (15, 2)

2015/16 Dwight Gayle 7 (3, 4)

2014/15 Dwight Gayle 10 (5, 5)

2013/14 Dwight Gayle 8 (7, 1)

2012/13 Glenn Murray 31 (30, 1)

2011/12 Darren Ambrose 10 (7, 3)

We have not consistently had a striker who gets 10+ a season in PL games, only Benteke outlier season in 2016/17
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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 11 Nov 18 5.43am
It boils down to Parish not learning from mistakes. It also doesn't help fans defending him, saying this is the best spell, blah blah. We are surviving by luck and back tracking, coughing up on plan b or plan a's we didn't want to push the boat out on. The cash should have been spent in january, a bit more than what we originally did in the summer and then pushed on with that - the fine for breaching ffp if we did, deal with it next year, just as bournemouth and other clubs had too - but guess what, the foundation of a solid team is there and therefor big spending wouldn't be necessary for a while. Watch us blow a load in jan - where was that money in the summer? This was once a quality forum....
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vancouver/croydon 11 Nov 18 5.43am

It boils down to Parish not learning from mistakes. It also doesn't help fans defending him, saying this is the best spell, blah blah.

We are surviving by luck and back tracking, coughing up on plan b or plan a's we didn't want to push the boat out on.

The cash should have been spent in january, a bit more than what we originally did in the summer and then pushed on with that - the fine for breaching ffp if we did, deal with it next year, just as bournemouth and other clubs had too - but guess what, the foundation of a solid team is there and therefor big spending wouldn't be necessary for a while.

Watch us blow a load in jan - where was that money in the summer?

This was once a quality forum....

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Mr Palaceman 11 Nov 18 7.34am
It has nothing to do with bringing in new players. We have been spending over the last couple of seasons with the best of them but that is not sustainable. We can't keep spending 20-30 million every transfer window. We have a good team. On paper... I'm sorry to say this but we have a manager that after a full season in charge, doesn't know his best 11. Players that we have brought in to supposedly improve the team, can't get a game and other players are played out of position. McArthur on the wing, while you have Townsend on the pitch !!! And yet Sorloth, who's probably not good enough anyway can't get a full game to show us what he's about. AWB was an accident. If it was a case of, Roy saying, 'I like the look of him, we'll give him a chance soon' then fair enough but no, we would not know anything about him if Ward wasn't injured, he would not have had a sniff and would probably be on loan at Brentford by now. We have a world cup winner in our academy but you just know he will never get a real chance unless half the team get injured and the groundsman forgets his kit. Also why did we buy a top European goalkeeper to replace an average goalie only to keep him on the bench, oh hang on, we've done that before. I know Hennessy has improved but if he's our top goalie, why pay out wages for anything other than a bright young prospect to back him up. Guiata must be so pi55ed off that he came here. We don't see him being interviewed on Palace TV. We buy a top European prospect in Jairo (potentially the one good thing FDB was responsible for) only to try and palm him off to Swansea for a player that can't score and will go AWOL the minute things don't go his way. Riedewald must also be so pi55ed off that he chose to come here, it's embarrassing. I didn't expect us to beat Tottenham, or Chelski, or Arsenal. Wolves, yes, Southampton, yes, Huddersfield, most definitely. The reason for my rant is that this season feels like a waste to me. It's not the points or position in the league, we've played some really good teams so far, it's the waste of a potentially very good team and now the rot is setting in again. I don't think we'll go down, 12th or 13th maybe but it's shaping up to be a long and ugly season, which, after last season, we really don't need. Rant over. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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Mr Palaceman

11 Nov 18 7.34am

It has nothing to do with bringing in new players. We have been spending over the last couple of seasons with the best of them but that is not sustainable. We can't keep spending 20-30 million every transfer window. We have a good team. On paper...

I'm sorry to say this but we have a manager that after a full season in charge, doesn't know his best 11.

Players that we have brought in to supposedly improve the team, can't get a game and other players are played out of position. McArthur on the wing, while you have Townsend on the pitch !!! And yet Sorloth, who's probably not good enough anyway can't get a full game to show us what he's about.

AWB was an accident. If it was a case of, Roy saying, 'I like the look of him, we'll give him a chance soon' then fair enough but no, we would not know anything about him if Ward wasn't injured, he would not have had a sniff and would probably be on loan at Brentford by now.

We have a world cup winner in our academy but you just know he will never get a real chance unless half the team get injured and the groundsman forgets his kit.

Also why did we buy a top European goalkeeper to replace an average goalie only to keep him on the bench, oh hang on, we've done that before. I know Hennessy has improved but if he's our top goalie, why pay out wages for anything other than a bright young prospect to back him up. Guiata must be so pi55ed off that he came here. We don't see him being interviewed on Palace TV.

We buy a top European prospect in Jairo (potentially the one good thing FDB was responsible for) only to try and palm him off to Swansea for a player that can't score and will go AWOL the minute things don't go his way. Riedewald must also be so pi55ed off that he chose to come here, it's embarrassing.

I didn't expect us to beat Tottenham, or Chelski, or Arsenal. Wolves, yes, Southampton, yes, Huddersfield, most definitely. The reason for my rant is that this season feels like a waste to me. It's not the points or position in the league, we've played some really good teams so far, it's the waste of a potentially very good team and now the rot is setting in again.

I don't think we'll go down, 12th or 13th maybe but it's shaping up to be a long and ugly season, which, after last season, we really don't need.

Rant over.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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Sayer East Sussex 11 Nov 18 7.35am
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Same but different ' by Midlands Eagle After 12 games last season we we’re bottom with 5pts , and Brighton 9th on 16pts . Stoke we’re the highest of the relegated teams 12th on 13pts, so yes it does feel a little grim at the moment but the next 4/5 games will tell us if we should be worried , but I do believe we look a much better team than last season, we are probably atbout 80% the team we can be.
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Same but different ' by Midlands Eagle

After 12 games last season we we’re bottom with 5pts , and Brighton 9th on 16pts . Stoke we’re the highest of the relegated teams 12th on 13pts, so yes it does feel a little grim at the moment but the next 4/5 games will tell us if we should be worried , but I do believe we look a much better team than last season, we are probably atbout 80% the team we can be.

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The Dolphin 11 Nov 18 7.51am
Nice post Mr Palaceman!!
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The Dolphin

11 Nov 18 7.51am

Nice post Mr Palaceman!!

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PatrickA London 11 Nov 18 8.46am
My main concern at the moment is that Roy seems to have us competitive every game and always in with a shout, but ultimately we fall short and end up with no points. There’s a difference to being a competitive team and a results team and we fall into the former category. There’s a comfort in competing well but we will not have scored a single goal in open play at home until at least December. We will not have had a home win until at least December. We cannot keep a clean sheet and find it difficult to score. At the moment I cannot see a catalyst to change this pattern. The players are playing with effort and commitment but there is little attacking threat and in reality we are quite easy to defend against. For these reasons I am not confident about the December fixtures and see a few draws on the horizon when wins are essential.
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PatrickA

London 11 Nov 18 8.46am

My main concern at the moment is that Roy seems to have us competitive every game and always in with a shout, but ultimately we fall short and end up with no points.
There’s a difference to being a competitive team and a results team and we fall into the former category.
There’s a comfort in competing well but we will not have scored a single goal in open play at home until at least December.
We will not have had a home win until at least December.
We cannot keep a clean sheet and find it difficult to score.
At the moment I cannot see a catalyst to change this pattern.
The players are playing with effort and commitment but there is little attacking threat and in reality we are quite easy to defend against.
For these reasons I am not confident about the December fixtures and see a few draws on the horizon when wins are essential.

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Mr Palaceman 11 Nov 18 8.56am
Originally posted by The Dolphin Nice post Mr Palaceman!! Tanx "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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Mr Palaceman

11 Nov 18 8.56am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Nice post Mr Palaceman!!

Tanx

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

Stan Laurel

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Booted Eagle Bristol 11 Nov 18 9.07am
Originally posted by Sayer This post has been merged from a topic called 'Same but different ' by Midlands Eagle After 12 games last season we we’re bottom with 5pts , and Brighton 9th on 16pts . Stoke we’re the highest of the relegated teams 12th on 13pts, so yes it does feel a little grim at the moment but the next 4/5 games will tell us if we should be worried , but I do believe we look a much better team than last season, we are probably atbout 80% the team we can be. You are right to look after the next 5 games but I wouldn't compare us to last season as we had changed managers. Warnock had about 15 points I seem to remember on Boxing Day and got the boot and he was surely in a harder position than Roy is now after taking over from Pulis ? Also not sure I agree that we are a better team than last season under Roy. Roy may only keep the reigns due to a lack of potential fire fighters around for us if we are no better than present. Edited by Booted Eagle (11 Nov 2018 9.09am) “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Booted Eagle

Bristol 11 Nov 18 9.07am

Originally posted by Sayer

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Same but different ' by Midlands Eagle

You are right to look after the next 5 games but I wouldn't compare us to last season as we had changed managers. Warnock had about 15 points I seem to remember on Boxing Day and got the boot and he was surely in a harder position than Roy is now after taking over from Pulis ? Also not sure I agree that we are a better team than last season under Roy. Roy may only keep the reigns due to a lack of potential fire fighters around for us if we are no better than present.

Edited by Booted Eagle (11 Nov 2018 9.09am)

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
—United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

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ARGILE OLD GEEZER PORTIMAO 11 Nov 18 9.13am
Originally posted by Mr Palaceman It has nothing to do with bringing in new players. We have been spending over the last couple of seasons with the best of them but that is not sustainable. We can't keep spending 20-30 million every transfer window. We have a good team. On paper... I'm sorry to say this but we have a manager that after a full season in charge, doesn't know his best 11. Players that we have brought in to supposedly improve the team, can't get a game and other players are played out of position. McArthur on the wing, while you have Townsend on the pitch !!! And yet Sorloth, who's probably not good enough anyway can't get a full game to show us what he's about. AWB was an accident. If it was a case of, Roy saying, 'I like the look of him, we'll give him a chance soon' then fair enough but no, we would not know anything about him if Ward wasn't injured, he would not have had a sniff and would probably be on loan at Brentford by now. We have a world cup winner in our academy but you just know he will never get a real chance unless half the team get injured and the groundsman forgets his kit. Also why did we buy a top European goalkeeper to replace an average goalie only to keep him on the bench, oh hang on, we've done that before. I know Hennessy has improved but if he's our top goalie, why pay out wages for anything other than a bright young prospect to back him up. Guiata must be so pi55ed off that he came here. We don't see him being interviewed on Palace TV. We buy a top European prospect in Jairo (potentially the one good thing FDB was responsible for) only to try and palm him off to Swansea for a player that can't score and will go AWOL the minute things don't go his way. Riedewald must also be so pi55ed off that he chose to come here, it's embarrassing. I didn't expect us to beat Tottenham, or Chelski, or Arsenal. Wolves, yes, Southampton, yes, Huddersfield, most definitely. The reason for my rant is that this season feels like a waste to me. It's not the points or position in the league, we've played some really good teams so far, it's the waste of a potentially very good team and now the rot is setting in again. I don't think we'll go down, 12th or 13th maybe but it's shaping up to be a long and ugly season, which, after last season, we really don't need. Rant over. Who is the world cup winner in our academy?
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

I'm sorry to say this but we have a manager that after a full season in charge, doesn't know his best 11.

We have a world cup winner in our academy but you just know he will never get a real chance unless half the team get injured and the groundsman forgets his kit.

I don't think we'll go down, 12th or 13th maybe but it's shaping up to be a long and ugly season, which, after last season, we really don't need.

Rant over.

Who is the world cup winner in our academy?

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Nov 18 9.19am
Originally posted by PatrickA My main concern at the moment is that Roy seems to have us competitive every game and always in with a shout, but ultimately we fall short and end up with no points. There’s a difference to being a competitive team and a results team and we fall into the former category. There’s a comfort in competing well but we will not have scored a single goal in open play at home until at least December. We will not have had a home win until at least December. We cannot keep a clean sheet and find it difficult to score. At the moment I cannot see a catalyst to change this pattern. The players are playing with effort and commitment but there is little attacking threat and in reality we are quite easy to defend against. For these reasons I am not confident about the December fixtures and see a few draws on the horizon when wins are essential. This very much reflects my viewpoint as well. In terms of our attacking threat we have only scored 1 goal from open-play in the last 5 games.A team can be organised and committed but if it finds it difficult to score goals it will always be scrapping for survival. Finally I have disagree with the comment that we have a better team than last season.The next 'Transfer window' is very important for us.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Nov 18 9.19am

Originally posted by PatrickA

This very much reflects my viewpoint as well.

In terms of our attacking threat we have only scored 1 goal from open-play in the last 5 games.A team can be organised and committed but if it finds it difficult to score goals it will always be scrapping for survival.

Finally I have disagree with the comment that we have a better team than last season.The next 'Transfer window' is very important for us.

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Nobbybm Dartford 11 Nov 18 9.22am
Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER Who is the world cup winner in our academy? Nya Kirby Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!
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Nobbybm

Dartford 11 Nov 18 9.22am

Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER

Who is the world cup winner in our academy?

Nya Kirby

Will this be five? It's gonna be five! It IS five!

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orpingtoneagle Orpington 11 Nov 18 9.47am
I think Roy sets up up well but we lack a cutting edge. I think we need a striking coach as we need something/someone to instill a bit of guile and confidence into our forwards. I thought Sorloth played better yesterday but again seemed to bottle it in the final phase of play. We need someone who can bring the best out of what we have and advise to bring in a goalscorer in January.
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I think Roy sets up up well but we lack a cutting edge. I think we need a striking coach as we need something/someone to instill a bit of guile and confidence into our forwards.

I thought Sorloth played better yesterday but again seemed to bottle it in the final phase of play. We need someone who can bring the best out of what we have and advise to bring in a goalscorer in January.

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