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becky over the moon 14 Jun 18 10.28pm
Today in my local Tesco we were all asked to stop shopping and to observe a minute's silence to show respect for the victims of the Grenfell fire. A few weeks ago, it was the same for Stephen Lawrence, and before that for the victims of the Manchester Arena attack. Why? What purpose does it serve to do this nationwide? Why am I expected to show 'respect' for these total strangers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Whilst I am very sorry that they lost their lives and that there are families left to mourn them, I don't feel that it is my place to do so. I can understand, and will gladly observe a silence for Remembrance Day - these were people who went to war and laid down their lives so that the rest of us could live in freedom from tyranny (well, that was the intention), so yes, they deserve a national time for reflection and respect for the sacrifice they made for their country and all in it. Likewise, if it is for someone whose life was in some way entwined with mine - a fellow Palace fan/player/manager or a local person who has served their community of which I am part and who in some way has had an influence or effect on my life - at least I can relate to it. However, this having the country stop for any and every event in which someone died is going to get increasingly ridiculous - why don't we start a Hither Green Memorial silence, an Aberfan disaster silence, a London IRA bombing silence, a Moorgate Tube disaster silence...... the list could go on and on until we end up standing still for the better part of every day. Does anyone actually think that this is a good thing or that it serves any useful purpose, or is necessary to anyone? A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 14 Jun 18 10.28pm

Today in my local Tesco we were all asked to stop shopping and to observe a minute's silence to show respect for the victims of the Grenfell fire. A few weeks ago, it was the same for Stephen Lawrence, and before that for the victims of the Manchester Arena attack.

Why?

What purpose does it serve to do this nationwide? Why am I expected to show 'respect' for these total strangers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Whilst I am very sorry that they lost their lives and that there are families left to mourn them, I don't feel that it is my place to do so.

I can understand, and will gladly observe a silence for Remembrance Day - these were people who went to war and laid down their lives so that the rest of us could live in freedom from tyranny (well, that was the intention), so yes, they deserve a national time for reflection and respect for the sacrifice they made for their country and all in it. Likewise, if it is for someone whose life was in some way entwined with mine - a fellow Palace fan/player/manager or a local person who has served their community of which I am part and who in some way has had an influence or effect on my life - at least I can relate to it.

However, this having the country stop for any and every event in which someone died is going to get increasingly ridiculous - why don't we start a Hither Green Memorial silence, an Aberfan disaster silence, a London IRA bombing silence, a Moorgate Tube disaster silence...... the list could go on and on until we end up standing still for the better part of every day.

Does anyone actually think that this is a good thing or that it serves any useful purpose, or is necessary to anyone?

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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simlaboy coulsdon 14 Jun 18 11.13pm
Totally agree, good post
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coulsdon 14 Jun 18 11.13pm

Totally agree, good post

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 14 Jun 18 11.32pm
Your correct of course. Most of it is politically driven bollocks as most of them (politicians) neither have the balls or inclination to root out the answers in the first place. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 14 Jun 18 11.32pm

Your correct of course. Most of it is politically driven bollocks as most of them (politicians) neither have the balls or inclination to root out the answers in the first place.

Pro USA & Israel

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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 14 Jun 18 11.35pm
Typical! Can't shut up! Even for sixty seconds! Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers
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Typical! Can't shut up! Even for sixty seconds!

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 14 Jun 18 11.53pm
Happened to me in M&S today. It really resonated with me for the first time just how horrific the Grenfell tradegy was. I teared up in the super market. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 14 Jun 18 11.53pm

Happened to me in M&S today. It really resonated with me for the first time just how horrific the Grenfell tradegy was. I teared up in the super market.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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Badger11 Beckenham 15 Jun 18 9.06am
Originally posted by becky Today in my local Tesco we were all asked to stop shopping and to observe a minute's silence to show respect for the victims of the Grenfell fire. A few weeks ago, it was the same for Stephen Lawrence, and before that for the victims of the Manchester Arena attack. Why? What purpose does it serve to do this nationwide? Why am I expected to show 'respect' for these total strangers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Whilst I am very sorry that they lost their lives and that there are families left to mourn them, I don't feel that it is my place to do so. I can understand, and will gladly observe a silence for Remembrance Day - these were people who went to war and laid down their lives so that the rest of us could live in freedom from tyranny (well, that was the intention), so yes, they deserve a national time for reflection and respect for the sacrifice they made for their country and all in it. Likewise, if it is for someone whose life was in some way entwined with mine - a fellow Palace fan/player/manager or a local person who has served their community of which I am part and who in some way has had an influence or effect on my life - at least I can relate to it. However, this having the country stop for any and every event in which someone died is going to get increasingly ridiculous - why don't we start a Hither Green Memorial silence, an Aberfan disaster silence, a London IRA bombing silence, a Moorgate Tube disaster silence...... the list could go on and on until we end up standing still for the better part of every day. Does anyone actually think that this is a good thing or that it serves any useful purpose, or is necessary to anyone? Well said Becky I think this dates back to Diana. There is a reason we have places of worship so people can grieve and not be disturbed and not disturb others who are not affected. And you are correct some tragedies are recognised whilst many are not. Birmingham pub bombings,Bradford fire, Lee Rigby, Jimmy Mizen and countless others. Politicians feel the need to do something. We have a day of remembrance for our war dead which I observe so why not another day of remembrance for everybody else. I don't have a problem with Grenfall as it is the anniversary and the enquiry is ongoing but I will not be remembering next year. One more point
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Beckenham 15 Jun 18 9.06am

Originally posted by becky

Why?

Does anyone actually think that this is a good thing or that it serves any useful purpose, or is necessary to anyone?

Well said Becky I think this dates back to Diana.

There is a reason we have places of worship so people can grieve and not be disturbed and not disturb others who are not affected.

And you are correct some tragedies are recognised whilst many are not. Birmingham pub bombings,Bradford fire, Lee Rigby, Jimmy Mizen and countless others.

Politicians feel the need to do something. We have a day of remembrance for our war dead which I observe so why not another day of remembrance for everybody else.

I don't have a problem with Grenfall as it is the anniversary and the enquiry is ongoing but I will not be remembering next year.

One more point

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Stirlingsays 15 Jun 18 9.17am
This tragedy was truly horrific and relatively recent. But the greater point Becky makes is spot on. The Falklands anniversary passed and hardly anybody noticed. It's the nature of things and maybe that's best, unless we are talking about world wars with living relatives. However, we are living in an emasculated nation full of 'Diana' types....and that's just the males. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jun 18 9.17am

This tragedy was truly horrific and relatively recent.

But the greater point Becky makes is spot on. The Falklands anniversary passed and hardly anybody noticed.

It's the nature of things and maybe that's best, unless we are talking about world wars with living relatives.

However, we are living in an emasculated nation full of 'Diana' types....and that's just the males.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jun 18 1.39pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This tragedy was truly horrific and relatively recent. But the greater point Becky makes is spot on. The Falklands anniversary passed and hardly anybody noticed. It's the nature of things and maybe that's best, unless we are talking about world wars with living relatives. However, we are living in an emasculated nation full of 'Diana' types....and that's just the males. People die every day in large numbers often in accidents. These particular people died needless horrible deaths but I see no real difference. The best tribute one could pay would be to ensure that this sort of tragedy doesn't happen. In fairness, it was already a very rare event. The families of the victims need to mourn in their own way but the current trend toward mass mysery is not traditionally a very'English' thing.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This tragedy was truly horrific and relatively recent.

But the greater point Becky makes is spot on. The Falklands anniversary passed and hardly anybody noticed.

It's the nature of things and maybe that's best, unless we are talking about world wars with living relatives.

However, we are living in an emasculated nation full of 'Diana' types....and that's just the males.

People die every day in large numbers often in accidents. These particular people died needless horrible deaths but I see no real difference.
The best tribute one could pay would be to ensure that this sort of tragedy doesn't happen. In fairness, it was already a very rare event.
The families of the victims need to mourn in their own way but the current trend toward mass mysery is not traditionally a very'English' thing.

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becky over the moon 15 Jun 18 2.05pm
Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Typical! Can't shut up! Even for sixty seconds! A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 15 Jun 18 2.05pm

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Typical! Can't shut up! Even for sixty seconds!

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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Stirlingsays 15 Jun 18 3.18pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger People die every day in large numbers often in accidents. These particular people died needless horrible deaths but I see no real difference. The best tribute one could pay would be to ensure that this sort of tragedy doesn't happen. In fairness, it was already a very rare event. The families of the victims need to mourn in their own way but the current trend toward mass mysery is not traditionally a very'English' thing. Yep, but apparently acting 'English' is boring....as one of our lefty friends pointed out a few days ago. The England I grew up in....the UK that won the Falklands for example has disappeared. Another lefty also made that same point. In truth they aren't that wrong. The majority of the younger generation have been brainwashed and aren't that interested in their own country. That won't be my boys though, toddlers at the moment. However, their future might best lie elsewhere depending upon how this country goes. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jun 2018 3.19pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jun 18 3.18pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yep, but apparently acting 'English' is boring....as one of our lefty friends pointed out a few days ago.

The England I grew up in....the UK that won the Falklands for example has disappeared. Another lefty also made that same point.

In truth they aren't that wrong. The majority of the younger generation have been brainwashed and aren't that interested in their own country.

That won't be my boys though, toddlers at the moment. However, their future might best lie elsewhere depending upon how this country goes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jun 2018 3.19pm)

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Sportyteacher London 15 Jun 18 5.10pm
Originally posted by Jimenez Your correct of course. Most of it is politically driven bollocks as most of them (politicians) neither have the balls or inclination to root out the answers in the first place. Much truth in this as the essential common sense lessons learnt esp. from Grenfell would've been incorporated into emergency legislation already. Instead it becomes one public inquiry after another then another with the extent of the truth rarely revealed for contrived reasons e.g. protecting The Establishment typically. Grenfell is an example of how the ordinary people in society had their needs of basic safety ignored bu the powers-that-be with the latter only interested in profit making first and foremost. I always feel for the victims and their families when something truly awful occurs but surely what the latter want at the end of the day is not just remembrance but ultimate justice and the hope that such events will not be allowed to recur again and affect other completely innocent individuals.
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Originally posted by Jimenez

Your correct of course. Most of it is politically driven bollocks as most of them (politicians) neither have the balls or inclination to root out the answers in the first place.

Much truth in this as the essential common sense lessons learnt esp. from Grenfell would've been incorporated into emergency legislation already. Instead it becomes one public inquiry after another then another with the extent of the truth rarely revealed for contrived reasons e.g. protecting The Establishment typically. Grenfell is an example of how the ordinary people in society had their needs of basic safety ignored bu the powers-that-be with the latter only interested in profit making first and foremost.

I always feel for the victims and their families when something truly awful occurs but surely what the latter want at the end of the day is not just remembrance but ultimate justice and the hope that such events will not be allowed to recur again and affect other completely innocent individuals.

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Direwolf Lincoln 15 Jun 18 5.16pm
Originally posted by becky Today in my local Tesco we were all asked to stop shopping and to observe a minute's silence to show respect for the victims of the Grenfell fire. A few weeks ago, it was the same for Stephen Lawrence, and before that for the victims of the Manchester Arena attack. Why? What purpose does it serve to do this nationwide? Why am I expected to show 'respect' for these total strangers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Whilst I am very sorry that they lost their lives and that there are families left to mourn them, I don't feel that it is my place to do so. I can understand, and will gladly observe a silence for Remembrance Day - these were people who went to war and laid down their lives so that the rest of us could live in freedom from tyranny (well, that was the intention), so yes, they deserve a national time for reflection and respect for the sacrifice they made for their country and all in it. Likewise, if it is for someone whose life was in some way entwined with mine - a fellow Palace fan/player/manager or a local person who has served their community of which I am part and who in some way has had an influence or effect on my life - at least I can relate to it. However, this having the country stop for any and every event in which someone died is going to get increasingly ridiculous - why don't we start a Hither Green Memorial silence, an Aberfan disaster silence, a London IRA bombing silence, a Moorgate Tube disaster silence...... the list could go on and on until we end up standing still for the better part of every day. Does anyone actually think that this is a good thing or that it serves any useful purpose, or is necessary to anyone? I do hope Tesco were offering a counselling opportunity after subjecting all the shoppers to this trauma. Alternatively you could make a claim for psychological suffering.
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Lincoln 15 Jun 18 5.16pm

Originally posted by becky

Why?

Does anyone actually think that this is a good thing or that it serves any useful purpose, or is necessary to anyone?

I do hope Tesco were offering a counselling opportunity after subjecting all the shoppers to this trauma. Alternatively you could make a claim for psychological suffering.

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