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serial thriller The Promised Land 23 Apr 18 7.10pm | |
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The women at Yarl's Wood Detention Centre have been staging a hunger strike for nearly two weeks now, not only based on their treatment - which has included routine sexual abuse and physical violence - but also on the lack of adequate healthcare, and the lack of pay for carrying out work within the centre. For those of you who aren't aware of what Yarl's Wood is, it's a private detention centre run by Serco for the Home Office. It includes asylum seekers, women escaping war or murder in their own countries, and many who have their migration cases pending. What do people make of this happening in our country? Just to spice the thread up, here's every HOL'ers favourite MP for Hackney with a stimulating and heartfelt account of her visit to the centre and continual work in Parliament to bring these women and families to justice: [Link]
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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 18 7.16pm | |
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We only have immigration centres because we have too many immigrants. They should be in Germany, Merkel wants them. Go and culturally enrich Germany. We are suffering enough social cohesion problems already.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 23 Apr 18 7.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We only have immigration centres because we have too many immigrants. They should be in Germany, Merkel wants them. Go and culturally enrich Germany. We are suffering enough social cohesion problems already. Your'e all heart mate
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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 18 7.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Your'e all heart mate I think with my head. You carry on thinking with your heart. Rent out a room.
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steeleye20 Croydon 23 Apr 18 7.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think with my head. You carry on thinking with your heart. Rent out a room.
The thread is about Yarl's Wood Detention Centre. Do the OP the courtesy of reading his post and responding if you must.
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 23 Apr 18 7.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think with my head. You carry on thinking with your heart. Rent out a room.
What if one of the women in there was your mum or your daughter. I wonder how you would feel then about things. My stance on immigration is exactly the same as yours, however these are real people we are talking about, most of whom who have been subject to sexual and domestic violence.
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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 18 7.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
What if one of the women in there was your mum or your daughter. I wonder how you would feel then about things. My stance on immigration is exactly the same as yours, however these are real people we are talking about, most of whom who have been subject to sexual and domestic violence. Ok thinker, this situation can be applied to many many millions of people all over the world. There is a never ending book of hard luck stories. Charity begins at home. You don't know the validity or not of any of those stories. A lot of those in them came here with no papers. I'm not against immigration at a reasonable number....But if that was what was happening then we wouldn't have over-flowing detention centres. Like I said, stop virtue signalling and rent your room. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Apr 2018 7.55pm)
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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 23 Apr 18 7.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Ok thinker, this situation can be applied to many many millions of people all over the world. There is a never ending book of hard luck stories. You don't know the validity or not of any of those stories. A lot of those in there came here with no papers. Charity begins at home. Like I said, stop virtue signalling and rent your room. And nor do you
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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 18 7.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
And nor do you Sure, that's why I'm not reacting emotionally. However, I do know that we have far too many immigrants, which was my point.
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Badger11 Beckenham 23 Apr 18 7.57pm | |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
The women at Yarl's Wood Detention Centre have been staging a hunger strike for nearly two weeks now, not only based on their treatment - which has included routine sexual abuse and physical violence - but also on the lack of adequate healthcare, and the lack of pay for carrying out work within the centre. For those of you who aren't aware of what Yarl's Wood is, it's a private detention centre run by Serco for the Home Office. It includes asylum seekers, women escaping war or murder in their own countries, and many who have their migration cases pending. What do people make of this happening in our country? Just to spice the thread up, here's every HOL'ers favourite MP for Hackney with a stimulating and heartfelt account of her visit to the centre and continual work in Parliament to bring these women and families to justice: [Link] If true all of this is completely unacceptable. However we should not take these claims at face value. These folk are there for a reason so they might make false allegations to bolster their immigration claim. This mess is of the government's own making. We take far too long to decide these cases which means locking people up in some cases for years which leads to health issues. Other countries in Europe seem to be able to decide immigration issues far quicker than us. There is also the suspicion that lawyers are working the system to make money and grind the Home Office down. For example Mr Smith from country A exhausts his appeals and then decides he is actually Mr Jones from country B. Or Mr Smith is claiming religious persecution and when that fails it he starts again claiming Homophobia. I do not believe people should be locked up without trial for more than a few months so we must have a better process.
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Stirlingsays 23 Apr 18 7.58pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The thread is about Yarl's Wood Detention Centre. Do the OP the courtesy of reading his post and responding if you must.
The post you cite wasn't to the OP....get it right. As for offense. Pretty much everyone of your posts could be called offensive to someone or other. Yet I don't complain about it.
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serial thriller The Promised Land 23 Apr 18 8.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
If true all of this is completely unacceptable. However we should not take these claims at face value. These folk are there for a reason so they might make false allegations to bolster their immigration claim. This mess is of the government's own making. We take far too long to decide these cases which means locking people up in some cases for years which leads to health issues. Other countries in Europe seem to be able to decide immigration issues far quicker than us. There is also the suspicion that lawyers are working the system to make money and grind the Home Office down. For example Mr Smith from country A exhausts his appeals and then decides he is actually Mr Jones from country B. Or Mr Smith is claiming religious persecution and when that fails it he starts again claiming Homophobia. I do not believe people should be locked up without trial for more than a few months so we must have a better process. I think the points you make are valid, the issue is that very few journalists or independent analysts are allowed to survey what happens in our detention centres, which leads to opacity, and is an indirect political decision by our government. They, after all, are the ones who are handing contracts to private security firms with a history of torture and abuse. I find it difficult to believe that these women are going on hunger strike out of anything other than desperation. Many of them go on to become British citizens, many of them have worked in our hospitals, contributed taxes and performed other usually low paid, essential services. To shrug one's shoulders and tell them to 'go to Germany' seems extraordinarily callous in my eyes.
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