I've always believed that we lived in a deterministic universe, as far as other dimensions, i'm sure there are many things in the universe that our brains cannot comprehend, a bit like sitting a dog at a computer and asking it to pull up google chrome.

It makes me think of the Netflix show Stranger Things and the "upside down" portion that universe.

Perhaps thats where we go when we pass away, maybe thats where Bigfoot has been all along.

Cool.....but I don't think the Schrödinger's Cat concept works.....the cave paintings of ancient man existed on those walls long before we looked at them because we have techniques to date them......So I'm personally of the view that the moon is actually there whether you look at it or not....it's just there in multiple dimensions as well that we can't directly interact with....well in my view.

I don't think there are any questions here that go against atheism either.....but I'm happy to discuss it.

I think it's better to be cautious and of course there are other ways of determining what these experiments suggest....We can only hope that the amazing minds we have out there can further think up more experiments that can provide us with more knowledge.

At the moment, as is suggested we are a blind man feeling objects and imagining what they look like.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jan 2018 1.12pm)

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It depends on what you mean by exists. There is a difference between how things exist on a sub-atomic / quantum scale and how they exist on a relative scale, in terms of physics.

On the quantum scale, concepts such as space and time seem to be more fluid, than on a relative scale - but we know that both scales co-exist - It seems that the 'rules' for particles and the 'rules' for molecules are different, and that how these rules interact creates what we call reality (barring a grand unified theory).

Its important to remember that the paradims of physics don't include concepts such as human artifacts etc. Its entirely about how physical properties of reality operate.

As such, physics can calculate a deterministic universe, in which free will can operate (because the actions of humans isn't within the paradim of physics).

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Quantum scale particles are not bound by space and time in how they act.

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I would argue that there must be a unified theory or these elements couldn't be connected and they obviously are.....you are composed of atoms...what are themselves composed of sub particles.....what lies underneath is outsize of our view due to the immense 'scale' of the Planck length.

So while we can't make sense of how objects in the quantum world operate as opposed to the macro world....they are obviously related...as they are different layers or manifestations of the same objects....Personally I feel that the quantum world operates on multiple dimensions that we cannot interact whereas the macro world is what we see and interact with...hence we cannot seriously expect to connect the dots with the quantum world when we cannot directly interact with the dimensions that these particles also exist in.

Well...for what's it is worth...that's what I've taken from the delayed choice quantum eraser.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jan 2018 1.49pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

All I can add to this discussion is that I believe that scientists have no idea about wider reality. They have a tiny glimpse of it and then make a lot of what are essentially guesses about what it is all about.