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Hutchyeagle Hove 29 Dec 17 10.17am
Driving up to the game we all like to discuss team selection etc... The overwhelming thoughts, were that height was not too important at the back tonight (no Giroud) ...But with players such as Arsenal’s front three (raw pace) we need quick agile defenders. The decision to play Kelly (primarily for his height..back post defending etc..) was wrong. Sanchez made him look pedestrian, which meant Tomkins had to again and again cover Kelly... Just seems a decision made out of loyalty rather than picking a team for each respective team we play ....appreciate we haven’t the numbers to be too clever, but TFM was the obvious choice to inject some pace into the back four
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Hutchyeagle

Hove 29 Dec 17 10.17am

Driving up to the game we all like to discuss team selection etc...
The overwhelming thoughts, were that height was not too important at the back tonight (no Giroud) ...But with players such as Arsenal’s front three (raw pace) we need quick agile defenders.
The decision to play Kelly (primarily for his height..back post defending etc..) was wrong. Sanchez made him look pedestrian, which meant Tomkins had to again and again cover Kelly...
Just seems a decision made out of loyalty rather than picking a team for each respective team we play ....appreciate we haven’t the numbers to be too clever, but TFM was the obvious choice to inject some pace into the back four

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bexleydave Barnehurst 29 Dec 17 10.34am
Originally posted by Hutchyeagle Driving up to the game we all like to discuss team selection etc... The overwhelming thoughts, were that height was not too important at the back tonight (no Giroud) ...But with players such as Arsenal’s front three (raw pace) we need quick agile defenders. The decision to play Kelly (primarily for his height..back post defending etc..) was wrong. Sanchez made him look pedestrian, which meant Tomkins had to again and again cover Kelly... Just seems a decision made out of loyalty rather than picking a team for each respective team we play ....appreciate we haven’t the numbers to be too clever, but TFM was the obvious choice to inject some pace into the back four Clearly Roy doesn't agree. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 29 Dec 17 10.34am

Originally posted by Hutchyeagle

Driving up to the game we all like to discuss team selection etc...
The overwhelming thoughts, were that height was not too important at the back tonight (no Giroud) ...But with players such as Arsenal’s front three (raw pace) we need quick agile defenders.
The decision to play Kelly (primarily for his height..back post defending etc..) was wrong. Sanchez made him look pedestrian, which meant Tomkins had to again and again cover Kelly...
Just seems a decision made out of loyalty rather than picking a team for each respective team we play ....appreciate we haven’t the numbers to be too clever, but TFM was the obvious choice to inject some pace into the back four

Clearly Roy doesn't agree.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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BarEagle Monmouth 29 Dec 17 10.36am
I think TFM will be in for Kelly now.
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BarEagle

Monmouth 29 Dec 17 10.36am

I think TFM will be in for Kelly now.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Dec 17 10.49am
The main error was not pressing enough, and in the case of Benteke, at all, apart from a late show of it when it was obviously started too late to actually get there and actually close down, block or tackle. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 29 Dec 17 10.49am

The main error was not pressing enough, and in the case of Benteke, at all, apart from a late show of it when it was obviously started too late to actually get there and actually close down, block or tackle.

COYP

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Elpis In a pub 29 Dec 17 10.59am
Why point the finger at Kelly , the first goal came from a weak defensive header from Schulpp ,the second a poor clearance from Benteckers and the third because Tompkins the only player not marking anyone should have dropped ten yards as soon as Whiltshire found space in the middle of the park . The great ball he delivered could have been dealt with had we not been so flat . Sanchez would make most defenders look pedestrian Kelly included but the goals last night were not Kellys fault but others individual errors .
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Elpis

In a pub 29 Dec 17 10.59am

Why point the finger at Kelly , the first goal came from a weak defensive header from Schulpp ,the second a poor clearance from Benteckers and the third because Tompkins the only player not marking anyone should have dropped ten yards as soon as Whiltshire found space in the middle of the park . The great ball he delivered could have been dealt with had we not been so flat .
Sanchez would make most defenders look pedestrian Kelly included but the goals last night were not Kellys fault but others individual errors .

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chateauferret 29 Dec 17 11.04am
Fosu-Mensah was only just back from injury so presumably there was a judgement about his fitness - last thing we would have wanted was a relapse and another long outage. Ward is listed on physioroom as back on 8 January. ============ The Ferret ============
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chateauferret

29 Dec 17 11.04am

Fosu-Mensah was only just back from injury so presumably there was a judgement about his fitness - last thing we would have wanted was a relapse and another long outage.

Ward is listed on physioroom as back on 8 January.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Dec 17 11.16am
Originally posted by Elpis Why point the finger at Kelly , the first goal came from a weak defensive header from Schulpp ,the second a poor clearance from Benteckers and the third because Tompkins the only player not marking anyone should have dropped ten yards as soon as Whiltshire found space in the middle of the park . The great ball he delivered could have been dealt with had we not been so flat . Sanchez would make most defenders look pedestrian Kelly included but the goals last night were not Kellys fault but others individual errors . I suppose some might argue that he should have been aware of Mustafi at the far post who of course scored the opening goal.Maybe this is a tad harsh, I will need to look at the TV coverage.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Dec 17 11.16am

Originally posted by Elpis

Why point the finger at Kelly , the first goal came from a weak defensive header from Schulpp ,the second a poor clearance from Benteckers and the third because Tompkins the only player not marking anyone should have dropped ten yards as soon as Whiltshire found space in the middle of the park . The great ball he delivered could have been dealt with had we not been so flat .
Sanchez would make most defenders look pedestrian Kelly included but the goals last night were not Kellys fault but others individual errors .

I suppose some might argue that he should have been aware of Mustafi at the far post who of course scored the opening goal.Maybe this is a tad harsh, I will need to look at the TV coverage.

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Elpis In a pub 29 Dec 17 11.26am
Originally posted by Willo I suppose some might argue that he should have been aware of Mustafi at the far post who of course scored the opening goal.Maybe this is a tad harsh, I will need to look at the TV coverage. I'm sure he was aware of Mustafi but was also covering the space in front of him which was the danger zone , the ball in fairness could not have fallen better to the Arsenal player . It was a poor goal to concede all round from poor clearance ,the failure to stop the shot , a weak save from Jules and then Kelly being caught between covering the middle and the back stick .
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Elpis

In a pub 29 Dec 17 11.26am

Originally posted by Willo

I suppose some might argue that he should have been aware of Mustafi at the far post who of course scored the opening goal.Maybe this is a tad harsh, I will need to look at the TV coverage.

I'm sure he was aware of Mustafi but was also covering the space in front of him which was the danger zone , the ball in fairness could not have fallen better to the Arsenal player . It was a poor goal to concede all round from poor clearance ,the failure to stop the shot , a weak save from Jules and then Kelly being caught between covering the middle and the back stick .

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Dec 17 11.30am
Originally posted by Elpis I'm sure he was aware of Mustafi but was also covering the space in front of him which was the danger zone , the ball in fairness could not have fallen better to the Arsenal player . It was a poor goal to concede all round from poor clearance ,the failure to stop the shot , a weak save from Jules and then Kelly being caught between covering the middle and the back stick . I need to look at the TV coverage to see if Speroni could have done better. I suppose one could argue that he did push it away from the goal but unfortunately the ball fell to Mustafi who was unmarked. Edited by Willo (29 Dec 2017 11.31am)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Dec 17 11.30am

Originally posted by Elpis

I'm sure he was aware of Mustafi but was also covering the space in front of him which was the danger zone , the ball in fairness could not have fallen better to the Arsenal player . It was a poor goal to concede all round from poor clearance ,the failure to stop the shot , a weak save from Jules and then Kelly being caught between covering the middle and the back stick .

I need to look at the TV coverage to see if Speroni could have done better.

I suppose one could argue that he did push it away from the goal but unfortunately the ball fell to Mustafi who was unmarked.

Edited by Willo (29 Dec 2017 11.31am)

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ex hibitionist Hastings 29 Dec 17 11.37am
the tactics v Arsenal weren't about selection - we had two different formations each half, once Zaha went back to the right wing and Cheek came off the left back to an advanced central position we were more effective. Schlupp was a different player second half - he is a real athlete and if his ability to burst through the lines and turn defence into attack could be used more regularly he could be handy for us, cos lately he's looked so poor. Wouldn't put the loss down to individual errors either - we were basically outclassed but gave it a good go. Be interesting if Roy v City tries to do what Benitez tried the other night (a formation of 10-0-0) or is more adventurous like we were second half.
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the tactics v Arsenal weren't about selection - we had two different formations each half, once Zaha went back to the right wing and Cheek came off the left back to an advanced central position we were more effective. Schlupp was a different player second half - he is a real athlete and if his ability to burst through the lines and turn defence into attack could be used more regularly he could be handy for us, cos lately he's looked so poor. Wouldn't put the loss down to individual errors either - we were basically outclassed but gave it a good go. Be interesting if Roy v City tries to do what Benitez tried the other night (a formation of 10-0-0) or is more adventurous like we were second half.

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Dangermouse Hastings 29 Dec 17 2.19pm
Thought we stood off too much 1st half. Clearly forward pair were asked to not close down in their half and just drop into shape. We were far more effective when we got in their faces and switched Wilf wider, especially when Sako came on. Obviously people want Benteke to disobey his manager and chase down defenders in their own half. When chasing the game we had to be more proactive and that's when we closed higher up, but the team were following their managers instructions, clearly. That's Life And as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream. KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!
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Hastings 29 Dec 17 2.19pm

Thought we stood off too much 1st half. Clearly forward pair were asked to not close down in their half and just drop into shape. We were far more effective when we got in their faces and switched Wilf wider, especially when Sako came on.
Obviously people want Benteke to disobey his manager and chase down defenders in their own half. When chasing the game we had to be more proactive and that's when we closed higher up, but the team were following their managers instructions, clearly.

That's Life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

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Uphill Bedford 29 Dec 17 3.21pm
Our tactics were not why we lost. We had just one problem - Jack Wilshere was playing for them. Now he has calmed down and has stopped his self-injury causing tackles he will become the best English born midfield general since Glen Hoddle. Swap Benteke for him?
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Uphill

Bedford 29 Dec 17 3.21pm

Our tactics were not why we lost.

We had just one problem - Jack Wilshere was
playing for them.

Now he has calmed down and has stopped his self-injury causing tackles he will become the best English born midfield general since Glen Hoddle.

Swap Benteke for him?

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