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mattteo Flag 24 Dec 17 9.20pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Sako has proven himself a decent goalscorer when playing up front, backup to Benteke. He has become a massive, rigid player, with good technique and precise finishing shots.
He's definitely not the same Sako who used to play as a winger 5-6 years ago. He doesn't have the pace anymore. It would be a mistake to force him as a winger, as he clearly can't keep up.
So...imagine that Benteke stays. It is certain the club will still try to bring in another striker. IF that striker will be similar to Benteke, we'd find ourselves having to give space to both of them + Sako who will definitely deserve more playing time after what he's done+ Connor Wickham coming back from an injury.

This will surely force Sako out of the center forward area and into wide midfield, as he'll probably come in for Townsend or Loftus Cheek (a position in which I mentioned why he wouldn't flourish). On occasion, during second halves maybe, our attack could look like this: Benteke/Another big CF + Connor Wickham up front, with Zaha on the right and Sako on the left.

With 3 players like the 2 massive strikers and Sako on the left, this team is sure to concede a lot of goals. They don't do much defensively, they don't recover balls. If you think Connor Wickham will hardly play, you're only somewhat right. He will be given playing time. And if there will be 2 massive center forwards, it will only be possible for him to be brought into the game as a second striker, behind them. This will also mean no Zaha in the center, which has worked very well up until now.

I think this team doesn't need another big center forward now in January. If that happens and Benteke doesn't leave, I think a lot of goals will be unavoidable (for reasons described above).
What I think is that this team needs a short, fast, second striker. Or at least a player capable of operating behind the striker and doing both defensive and offensive work. And if such a player is not possible to find, then stick to Zaha, cause he's doing a great job.

Course, all this talk would be for nothing if Benteke left. Then surely another player would be needed to step into his shoes. With Sako as a center forward backup, which he has proved he can be successfully.
No matter my feelings over Benteke (I'd sell him in a jiffy!), but objectively speaking, not taking into consideration how I feel for him, if he doesn;t move, I don't think bringing another center forward in can help the team

 

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Headbert Flag Mitcham 25 Dec 17 2.01am

All we need up forward is another Benteke to keep this one on his toes. Benteke's best form is just around the corner. We have to allow him to recover from a sh1te preseason and start of season and an injury. Benteke's hold-up and passing and set-up play has been awesome - the forward line is devastatingly good with him there. Many of our last matches with him playing we had chances to be several goals up. As for Sako, okay as an impact sub, but he's currently playing above his expected usual ability. I don't think the good times will last with him. Sako IMHO should be replaced by a new striker in January.
People write-off Palace players far too quickly for my liking. Benteke is a beast of a player. He needs love. Stop hating on him please. Parish f'ked-up his 2017 hopes to top the scoring charts. Benteke is awesome.

 

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mattteo Flag 25 Dec 17 9.34am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Headbert

Sako IMHO should be replaced by a new striker in January.


I respect your opinion, but that's not going to happen after he has scored the many goals he has scored coming on as a sub.
He'll be moved to the side though if another center forward comes in. And with his current weight and mobility......he'll surely be no Townsend or Zaha

 

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Goldfiinger Flag Just down the road 25 Dec 17 10.17am Send a Private Message to Goldfiinger Add Goldfiinger as a friend

Totally agree and have been saying it since last summer we need a quick poacher / goal scorer who can run with the ball. Something different to what we have in Benteke and Wickham.

Would be devasting to have him play alongside Wilf as no defence could go three on Wilf for fear he'd slip a decent ball through to another player who create space with the ball at his feet and finish.

No way we'll buy another lump.

 

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coulsdoneagle Flag London 25 Dec 17 3.05pm Send a Private Message to coulsdoneagle Add coulsdoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Sako has proven himself a decent goalscorer when playing up front, backup to Benteke. He has become a massive, rigid player, with good technique and precise finishing shots.
He's definitely not the same Sako who used to play as a winger 5-6 years ago. He doesn't have the pace anymore. It would be a mistake to force him as a winger, as he clearly can't keep up.
So...imagine that Benteke stays. It is certain the club will still try to bring in another striker. IF that striker will be similar to Benteke, we'd find ourselves having to give space to both of them + Sako who will definitely deserve more playing time after what he's done+ Connor Wickham coming back from an injury.

This will surely force Sako out of the center forward area and into wide midfield, as he'll probably come in for Townsend or Loftus Cheek (a position in which I mentioned why he wouldn't flourish). On occasion, during second halves maybe, our attack could look like this: Benteke/Another big CF + Connor Wickham up front, with Zaha on the right and Sako on the left.

With 3 players like the 2 massive strikers and Sako on the left, this team is sure to concede a lot of goals. They don't do much defensively, they don't recover balls. If you think Connor Wickham will hardly play, you're only somewhat right. He will be given playing time. And if there will be 2 massive center forwards, it will only be possible for him to be brought into the game as a second striker, behind them. This will also mean no Zaha in the center, which has worked very well up until now.

I think this team doesn't need another big center forward now in January. If that happens and Benteke doesn't leave, I think a lot of goals will be unavoidable (for reasons described above).
What I think is that this team needs a short, fast, second striker. Or at least a player capable of operating behind the striker and doing both defensive and offensive work. And if such a player is not possible to find, then stick to Zaha, cause he's doing a great job.

Course, all this talk would be for nothing if Benteke left. Then surely another player would be needed to step into his shoes. With Sako as a center forward backup, which he has proved he can be successfully.
No matter my feelings over Benteke (I'd sell him in a jiffy!), but objectively speaking, not taking into consideration how I feel for him, if he doesn;t move, I don't think bringing another center forward in can help the team

I want to stop you right there...

 

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coulsdoneagle Flag London 25 Dec 17 3.18pm Send a Private Message to coulsdoneagle Add coulsdoneagle as a friend

Sako is bloody w*nk. He has scored 2 goals in 2 years and is in no way appropriate backup. Benteke was suspended and Sako still didn’t even manage to get a start. The best thing to do after his 2 goals is cash in and try and shift him before anyone realises how bad he is.

We need a decent striker to backup Benteke. Big or small, to be honest we could do with both, but I think Wickham might never be the same player and may not be back till late in this season and is always a risk of getting a setback.

To be honest I want a fast small young striker yes, but some true backup to play the same as Benteke to keep him on his toes and challenge him, he hasn’t had to look interested or work particularly hard because if he is fit he plays. The first half at Leicester is the only time this season he has actually showed some backbone.

 

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mattteo Flag 25 Dec 17 3.58pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

Sako is bloody w*nk. He has scored 2 goals in 2 years and is in no way appropriate backup.


Well, he's gaining cult status and he surely will not be sold this winter.
He has hardly played and scored 2 times in the league and 2 times in the Cup, from center forward positions.
I don't rate him much either, but he makes a decent sub. He still has 3 goals more than Benteke, in less than half the playing time

 

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Icepick Tony Flag Chester 25 Dec 17 5.45pm Send a Private Message to Icepick Tony Add Icepick Tony as a friend

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

I want to stop you right there...

 


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Mstrobez Flag 25 Dec 17 6.22pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo


Well, he's gaining cult status and he surely will not be sold this winter.
He has hardly played and scored 2 times in the league and 2 times in the Cup, from center forward positions.
I don't rate him much either, but he makes a decent sub. He still has 3 goals more than Benteke, in less than half the playing time

Let's have it right, Sako is a championship level player. That seemed to be agreed universally until he scored a good goal against Leicester, and now he's all of a sudden a cult hero? Not so sure about that.

He's done decent off of the bench in one game, so this terrific goal record you speak of is strange. Statistical stuff that doesn't take into account the fact he hardly ever even plays for us, and the actual amount of goals he's got is hardly any.

I'm not so sure Roy fancies him as much as you'd believe, considering he started with Wilf and Townsend on the weekend and personally I think that's a lot more of a scary frontline for defenders to have to deal with despite the fact that neither are traditional strikers. Heck, Sako might even score a couple more but if we lose Benteke again and he has to start games, he'll get found out pretty quickly. His only assett is a bullet of a left foot, which can be useful at times, but his footballing intelligence, and awareness of team mates is so poor. Let's not let an all be it very good goal cloud that.

With the money involved in the Premier league, you'll find most stable PL clubs will have premier league quality even in reserve. This has been for a while our most pressing issue (squad depth) and one we desperately have to start addressing properly. We need a new striker, possibly even 2.

For what it's worth, I agree with the type of striker we need. I think Benteke is a quality player, and can be utilised excellently in away matches. But at home, in the high intensity pressing game Roy seems to like - I think we need a bit more energy and unpredictability.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Dec 17 6.51pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Let's have it right, Sako is a championship level player. That seemed to be agreed universally until he scored a good goal against Leicester, and now he's all of a sudden a cult hero? Not so sure about that.

He's done decent off of the bench in one game, so this terrific goal record you speak of is strange. Statistical stuff that doesn't take into account the fact he hardly ever even plays for us, and the actual amount of goals he's got is hardly any.

I'm not so sure Roy fancies him as much as you'd believe, considering he started with Wilf and Townsend on the weekend and personally I think that's a lot more of a scary frontline for defenders to have to deal with despite the fact that neither are traditional strikers. Heck, Sako might even score a couple more but if we lose Benteke again and he has to start games, he'll get found out pretty quickly. His only assett is a bullet of a left foot, which can be useful at times, but his footballing intelligence, and awareness of team mates is so poor. Let's not let an all be it very good goal cloud that.

With the money involved in the Premier league, you'll find most stable PL clubs will have premier league quality even in reserve. This has been for a while our most pressing issue (squad depth) and one we desperately have to start addressing properly. We need a new striker, possibly even 2.

For what it's worth, I agree with the type of striker we need. I think Benteke is a quality player, and can be utilised excellently in away matches. But at home, in the high intensity pressing game Roy seems to like - I think we need a bit more energy and unpredictability.

Both Shane Long and Danny Ings bring a great deal of energy to the team.

 

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mattteo Flag 25 Dec 17 7.46pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Both Shane Long and Danny Ings bring a great deal of energy to the team.


Danny Ings wasn't very fast before breaking his leg and surely isn't any faster now

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Dec 17 7.55pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo


Danny Ings wasn't very fast before breaking his leg and surely isn't any faster now

I was referring to workrate as you had mentioned "Energy".He was known for his phenominal workrate.
Of course his injuries might have an impact on his ability to play as before.
Don't recall him as a slouch.

Edited by Willo (25 Dec 2017 7.56pm)

 

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