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 cryrst  The garden of England 07 Dec 17 11.56am |
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Just seen that the above (may) have failed to declare proper accounts during the recent election.
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 Hrolf The Ganger  07 Dec 17 12.21pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Just seen that the above (may) have failed to declare proper accounts during the recent election. I wouldn't be surprised. We know how good the left is at managing money and spending other people's.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 07 Dec 17 1.47pm |
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They're bound to call the Money tree to give evidence!
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| cryrst The garden of England 07 Dec 17 2.17pm |
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wheres nick
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| Lyons550 Shirley 07 Dec 17 2.43pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
wheres nick
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| Mapletree Croydon 07 Dec 17 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I wouldn't be surprised. We know how good the left is at managing money and spending other people's. There you go again, 'the Left'. It's like they are a different genus. Simplistic labelling results in an 'us and them' discussion from the outset rather than some kind of reasonable debate on its merits. In the same way as I don't trust extremists of any kind this is a group that makes most people uncomfortable. I don't suppose they are worse than Vote Leave for example but I wouldn't trust them. And I know some were bussed in to Croydon during the last election. I know this because a Labour activist of my acquaintance was bemoaning that fact. People with only one thing on their mind are downright dangerous and at best irritating.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Dec 17 3.44pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Just seen that the above (may) have failed to declare proper accounts during the recent election. Should be held to account, like the Conservatives were, for any irregularities. Left or Right, the law of the land comes first.
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| cryrst The garden of England 07 Dec 17 4.32pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
There you go again, 'the Left'. It's like they are a different genus. Simplistic labelling results in an 'us and them' discussion from the outset rather than some kind of reasonable debate on its merits. In the same way as I don't trust extremists of any kind this is a group that makes most people uncomfortable. I don't suppose they are worse than Vote Leave for example but I wouldn't trust them. And I know some were bussed in to Croydon during the last election. I know this because a Labour activist of my acquaintance was bemoaning that fact. People with only one thing on their mind are downright dangerous and at best irritating. Well I'm sorry you feel that labelling is wrong but we all hear and read about the left and the right.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 07 Dec 17 4.38pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Well I'm sorry you feel that labelling is wrong but we all hear and read about the left and the right. Sure, but does that mean that everything Monument does is representative of 'the left' in its entirety? It's just point-scoring nonsense.
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| cryrst The garden of England 07 Dec 17 4.44pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Sure, but does that mean that everything Monument does is representative of 'the left' in its entirety? It's just point-scoring nonsense. No and I agree it may not be in the name of labour directly or requested by them. But when JC or labour come out and actually state that it isn't why would anything said or done not be associated with labour.
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| Mapletree Croydon 07 Dec 17 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Well I'm sorry you feel that labelling is wrong but we all hear and read about the left and the right. This was specifically aimed at those posters who just constantly carp on about 'the left' or 'the right'. In reality there is no unifying philosophy for either of those descriptions, just some commonality in their points of view. It is unhelpful to label everyone in such a crass way. And it is especially unhelpful to consider that Momentum represents all people that consider themselves 'liberal' or 'progressive' any more than Britain First is representative of all those that consider themselves 'conservative' or 'traditionalist'.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 07 Dec 17 4.51pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Well I'm sorry you feel that labelling is wrong but we all hear and read about the left and the right. But we are not in 'momentum' and should not be labelled as left wing when it doesn't fit anyway. It is an irritating stereotype used by people in the absence of any argument. It's particularly annoying to be labelled as a 'leftie' purely because I have an open mind receptive to new ideas. We are in the society because we have to be, but that does not mean that we are of it.... Open our minds and let us be rid of redundant 'left' and 'right' stereotyping.
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