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Ian Brady - No Funeral
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jamiemartin721  Reading 13 Oct 17 12.50pm |
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Apparently Ian Brady's solicitor has been refused access to his ashes and a judge has ruled there be no ceremony or music at the disposal of his ashes. I think this is unfair to Brady's human rights and tried to think of a fairer system. This got me to thinking, should the UK prison system have a massive ceremonial s**t stained toilet down which the worst criminals remains would be flushed. The ceremony would consist of selected members of the public or victims family, on request, having a breakfast of curried fry up, and taking as massive dump, onto which the ashes will be sprinkled before the Home Secretary takes a p*ss, and then the whole lot is flushed into the UK sewer system.
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 Stirlingsays 13 Oct 17 12.55pm |
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Emotion.....outside of sex and humour....is rarely a good thing. As it was certain he murdered those children the system should have painlessly killed him a long time ago. It should have been done for efficiency, as in reducing the burden on the tax payer. Human rights law should be changed to limit how much delay can be introduced.
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| npn Crowborough 13 Oct 17 1.01pm |
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I would be in favour of his remains being given to medical research. In fact, I'm considering donating my own remains in the same way, at least someone gets some benefit from it
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Oct 17 1.24pm |
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Originally posted by npn
I would be in favour of his remains being given to medical research. In fact, I'm considering donating my own remains in the same way, at least someone gets some benefit from it Me too, but its actually a lot more difficult to qualify than you'd think - Usually you need to die of a known cause (so no autopsy has taken place) along with a few other peculiar criteria. That said, I'm also looking forward to my corpse being raced around a training hospital by medical students.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 17 1.28pm |
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I'm not sure why anyone cares what happens to Brady's remains. The most fitting disposal would be to get someone to hide them on a moor somewhere and never tell anyone where they are.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Oct 17 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Emotion.....outside of sex and humour....is rarely a good thing. As it was certain he murdered those children the system should have painlessly killed him a long time ago. It should have been done for efficiency, as in reducing the burden on the tax payer. Human rights law should be changed to limit how much delay can be introduced. Whilst I don't believe in a death penalty, its hard to argue that someone like Brady didn't deserve to die, and would have been 'poorly served' by justice if he was executed. I don't agree with the last bit though. You have to have a series of fair and just appeals that have to be exhausted before the state takes a persons life - Even if we all know they're guilty - Because sometimes they aren't. But the likes of these monsters should be locked up under a media black out. The should never be allowed to talk or communicate with the outside world ever again - For the sake of the victims families (and that should apply to the media). After they've died their names should be erased from history, so that nothing of them remains, except the court documents. No biographies, no films etc. Just a shrine to the victims.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Oct 17 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm not sure why anyone cares what happens to Brady's remains. The most fitting disposal would be to get someone to hide them on a moor somewhere and never tell anyone where they are. Apparently he wanted them spread on Saddleworth Moor, which is the only reason I'd be against this.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 17 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Apparently he wanted them spread on Saddleworth Moor, which is the only reason I'd be against this.
I'd have preferred to do it while he was alive
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 13 Oct 17 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Emotion.....outside of sex and humour....is rarely a good thing. As it was certain he murdered those children the system should have painlessly killed him a long time ago. It should have been done for efficiency, as in reducing the burden on the tax payer. Human rights law should be changed to limit how much delay can be introduced. Not sure about that
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| Stuk Top half 13 Oct 17 2.13pm |
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Should've gone straight from cremation to the bin.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Oct 17 2.38pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Whilst I don't believe in a death penalty, its hard to argue that someone like Brady didn't deserve to die, and would have been 'poorly served' by justice if he was executed. I don't agree with the last bit though. You have to have a series of fair and just appeals that have to be exhausted before the state takes a persons life - Even if we all know they're guilty - Because sometimes they aren't. But the likes of these monsters should be locked up under a media black out. The should never be allowed to talk or communicate with the outside world ever again - For the sake of the victims families (and that should apply to the media). After they've died their names should be erased from history, so that nothing of them remains, except the court documents. No biographies, no films etc. Just a shrine to the victims. If you would do that for Brady then you'd do that for Hitler and Stalin and anyone of numerous terrible people who had destroyed countless lives. Removing that we don't like from history is straight out of 1984. It's what the Pharaohs use to do. I believe that it is for the state to dispence justice. I also believe that punishment is rightly a major factor in prison. However, I'm not one for the state participating in taking pleasure in another's suffering. That is understandable but outside of dispencing justice it's not its job. As for your belief that locking someone up forever is preferable to ending their lives.......That's expensive and pointless in cases of certainty. I grant you I wouldn't have this as a regular occurrence....but in cases of certainty I would personally. I would limit the legal intervention in this.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Oct 17 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If you would do that for Brady then you'd do that for Hitler and Stalin and anyone of numerous terrible people who had destroyed countless lives. Removing that we don't like from history is straight out of 1984. It's what the Pharaohs use to do. I believe that it is for the state to dispence justice. I also believe that punishment is rightly a major factor in prison. However, I'm not one for the state participating in taking pleasure in another's suffering. That is understandable but outside of dispencing justice it's not its job. As for your belief that locking someone up forever is preferable to ending their lives.......That's expensive and pointless in cases of certainty. I grant you I wouldn't have this as a regular occurrence....but in cases of certainty I would personally. I would limit the legal intervention in this. I'm really only talking about the serial killers here, rather than history. I don't think its preferable, I just think that sooner or later a mistake gets made, and its too late to go back and rectify that mistake once someone is dead. Plenty of times in the past 'dead bang on certs' have been sent down, labelled as the worst monsters of a generation, and then freed on appeal. So if you go down that route, I don't think you can 'make it easier' to kill them, you have to go through every possible appeal and injunction and legal challenge until you get to the point of ending them. Oddly, in the US, it works out far more expensive to have people executed than to have them in prison for life without parole.
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