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MrCParrot Flag Taunton 15 Sep 17 8.32am Send a Private Message to MrCParrot Add MrCParrot as a friend


SPECIAL REPORT
Hodgson’s Homecoming
The former Croydon PE teacher and Crystal Palace youth player goes back to his roots tomorrow when he takes charge of the club for the first time. Jeremy Wilson meets the locals who remember the young Hodgson growing up down the road from Selhurst Park

Roy Hodgson was unveiled as the new Crystal Palace manager this week
It was when Ramzi Musallam and his school friends at the Monks Hill Comprehensive in Croydon were gathering around the latest edition of Shoot magazine in the winter of 1976 that they got the shock of their lives.
“They would have a team photo across the centre spread and that week was of the Swedish team Halmstads,” recalls Musallam. “One of my mates saw one of the faces in the middle and just said, ‘That looks like Mr Hodgson’. We all just laughed, not thinking it was possible. He had just been our English and PE teacher. But then we worked our way through and, in among this list of Swedish names, there it was: Roy Hodgson. We were stunned. We had no idea.
“He lived around the corner from me in Farnborough Crescent and we would sometimes walk home together. I was a Palace fan and the substitute in the school team that Mr Hodgson would coach. We would always just talk about football.
“He was still playing for Carshalton Athletic as well as teaching at the school. I remember that he was always in a tracksuit, even when he was taking English lessons, but he was one of the teachers you could talk to. He was liked and respected by the pupils.”
Monks Hill (now named Quest Academy) was also Wilfried Zaha’s old school and is just down the road from Selhurst Park where, at the age now of 70, English football’s most travelled manager has returned to what he calls “my boyhood club”.

After a coaching career spanning five decades, eight countries and 19 teams, Hodgson’s new place of work is just a mile from the Sydenham Road garden where he first kicked a football.
It is not just the hairstyles that have changed. Hodgson was born only two years after the Second World War ended and large parts of Croydon, which was once home to London’s main airport, had been obliterated. Hodgson’s father, Bill, worked as a bus driver and, living beneath them in the same terrace maisonette, was another young family. A bus conductor colleague also had a young boy who was fanatical about football and their dominant childhood memory was of endless football games on the shared patch of grass.
“All the local kids used to come virtually every day and we’d have a match,” recalls Steve Kember. “There were a couple of trees at the back we’d use as goalposts.”
They both attended the John Ruskin Grammar School in Croydon, which also counted two other prominent future managers – Lennie Lawrence and Bob Houghton – among its cohort.
Hodgson, who Kember says was “one of the chaps”, apparently had an unusually sophisticated taste in music and literature. According to another school friend, he saw himself as “a bid of a mod”.
Hodgson, Kember and Lawrence all trained with Palace but there was never any doubt who would be the star player.
Lawrence describes Hodgson as “pretty useful” but Kember, who would become Chelsea’s club record signing, was the outstanding talent. Hodgson was duly released by Palace without playing a senior match but his globetrotting would wait and the next decade of his life was spent teaching and playing non-league football for a variety of clubs around Kent and South London. Hodgson’s first match for Tonbridge Angels was in front of only 75 supporters. It was, says current Angels chairman Steve Churcher, a fairly “dire time” and the club finished bottom of the Southern League in Hodgson’s first season.

One of the club’s fans, Tom Spence, actually wrote to Hodgson when he was managing Switzerland and received a personal reply saying that “he had fond memories of meeting with his team-mates after training in Fortes Cafe in Tonbridge High Street”.
Hodgson’s team-mates included the current Arsenal kit manager Vic Akers, Houghton, Colin Toal and Ray Brady, the brother of Liam.
He was versatile if limited and, playing predominantly as a midfielder or full-back, soon moved to local rivals Gravesend and Northfleet where he became team-mates with Tony Sitford.
“Roy was not the greatest player in the world but he was a good player and, more important, a very nice person,” says Sitford, who continues to work locally both as groundsman and director of football at Corinthian FC.
“I look at him now, 40-odd years on, and you still see the same person. What you see is what you get. It was what he was like as a player, too. Down to earth, honest, modest; there was nothing flash about him but he would do everything to the very best of his abilities. He was not a player who was aggressive and would go sliding into tackles or kick people but he was comfortable on the ball and had good vision. He was definitely a player who would be more appreciated by his team-mates and his manager than the crowd.”

Hodgson was born on Sydenham Road in south London, barely a mile from Palace’s Selhurst Park home
That was especially evident during an away match at Cheltenham in the Southern League. Charles Webster, who has been covering non-league football for BBC Radio Kent for more than 40 years, was at the game.
“He was getting stick from his own fans while waiting for a throw-in,” he recalls. “He had the ball on his hip and one of the comics shouted, ‘You ———, Hodgson’. I just remember him turning around, looking at the fan, and very deliberately saying, ‘You are not here as well are you?’ He was used to getting a bit of stick at home and would have recognised all the faces but, in that moment, you could see he had a certain strength of character and a good sense of humour.”
It was, says Webster, his main memory of an otherwise easily forgettable playing spell.
“I remember he had a hunched- over demeanour that made him look like he was really concentrating,” says Webster. “I don’t think it came naturally to him. I don’t mean that unkindly, but he just looked like he had really worked at it. At that level, he was a journeyman, but the sort of player that every club needs; a grafter, although not someone in whom you obviously saw leadership qualities.”
So, a sort of non-league James Milner then? “Precisely,” says Webster. “He was a team player who would do what the manager asked. I would love to say I knew that Roy would go on to be a top manager, but I didn’t. No one did. Until he emerged again as a coach, he was largely forgotten about.”
After Gravesend, spells at Maidstone United with Houghton and Ashford Town followed before his playing days ended in a Carshalton Athletic team that was being coached by Lawrence.
“It was Lennie and Bob Houghton who encouraged him into coaching,” says Chris Blanchard, who is now club chairman. “He was a good non-league player; he scored a few goals and would sometimes take the penalties. It was a decent period in our history.”
Hodgson, himself, speaks of his “pride” at his Croydon roots and, while he returns to Palace at a moment of some crisis, the local desire to see him also re-establish his own career clearly runs deep.
“I’ve always followed his career since he left the school,” says Musallam, who remains a huge Palace fan. “I still speak to a lot of the old pupils and they are wishing him well. We would love to see him succeed. Saturday will be a homecoming.”

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Sep 17 8.38am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Wonderful article.

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 15 Sep 17 9.25am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Always comes across as a thoroughly decent human being.

I just wish they awarded points for that!

Still, experience in spades, at many levels, so the very best of luck to you Roy, welcome home, and may the relationship be long, happy, and who knows, maybe even successful

 

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bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 15 Sep 17 9.43am Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Wonderful article.

Reading that, you just know that the players will respond well from day one and I don't think they'll have any difficulty getting to grips with Roy's tactics.

 


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Originally posted by bexleydave

Reading that, you just know that the players will respond well from day one and I don't think they'll have any difficulty getting to grips with Roy's tactics.

A Fulham supporter I know said that at first their players found his training boring and repetitive, all about "Shape" and what was known as a "Defensive lock" but once they started to pick up results as a result of the team organisation they were fine with it as they knew it was paying off.

Edited by Willo (15 Sep 2017 9.51am)

 

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Originally posted by Willo

A Fulham supporter I know said that at first their players found his training boring and repetitive, all about "Shape" and what was known as a "Defensive lock" but once they started to pick up results as a result of the team organisation they were fine with it as they knew it was paying off.

Edited by Willo (15 Sep 2017 9.51am)

That sounds similar to the Allardyce and Pulis approach.

The more articles and interviews I read on this appointment the more it gives me a warm, Ovaltine feeling.

 

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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

That sounds similar to the Allardyce and Pulis approach.

The more articles and interviews I read on this appointment the more it gives me a warm, Ovaltine feeling.

Exactly why it should work. We need to get through the next 2 years of transfer headaches with and maybe whoever else and then, possibly gradually along the way, evolve the team to get the possession football, not the other way round with only 11 able to do it at best.

 


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lefty27 Flag ipswich 15 Sep 17 10.54am Send a Private Message to lefty27 Add lefty27 as a friend

The more I read the more assured I feel that we are in a safe pair of hands. Maybe he won't be long term, but he could build a legacy by working with a younger man next year and passing over the reigns.
I have no worries with this appointment, it's the next one which will be crucial.

 

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Originally posted by Willo

A Fulham supporter I know said that at first their players found his training boring and repetitive, all about "Shape" and what was known as a "Defensive lock" but once they started to pick up results as a result of the team organisation they were fine with it as they knew it was paying off.


I get the impression that the team will welcome "boring and repetitive" after the last eight weeks

 


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MrCParrot Flag Taunton 16 Sep 17 7.23am Send a Private Message to MrCParrot Add MrCParrot as a friend

It's an impressive history and as others repeatability state. Roy is a thoroughly decent human being

Up the Palace

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He was a Mod, that's good enough for me.

 


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Here he is talking about the Iceland match

Despite the scars, he insisted he was not damaged. “First of all, I’m not interested in Iceland,” he stated. “We’re going down a route which I’ve said, reasonably politely, is a past chapter. Who cares? You might. A lot of the Palace fans reading this, the ones who interest me, what does it say about me, my team? There might be people in Carlisle who’d like to know that, but I’m in south London, Beckenham.”

Ha ha love it

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