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jiepandy Hong Kong 27 Jul 17 7.47am
Unlike our previous managers, I really believe that De Boer will take Palace to a higher level. One or more additions of real footballers who are comfortable on the ball will help our transition to 343. In addition it is exciting that Palace will be using this system at all levels. Youth coming through and Wilf developing nicely. Bright future? Edited by jiepandy (27 Jul 2017 7.51am)
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Hong Kong 27 Jul 17 7.47am

Unlike our previous managers, I really believe that De Boer will take Palace to a higher level.
One or more additions of real footballers who are comfortable on the ball will help our transition to 343. In addition it is exciting that Palace will be using this system at all levels. Youth coming through and Wilf developing nicely. Bright future?

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bexleydave Barnehurst 27 Jul 17 8.06am
Originally posted by jiepandy Unlike our previous managers, I really believe that De Boer will take Palace to a higher level. One or more additions of real footballers who are comfortable on the ball will help our transition to 343. In addition it is exciting that Palace will be using this system at all levels. Youth coming through and Wilf developing nicely. Bright future? We just don't know do we? What might help is if FdB explained why he thinks that the Palace squad is ideally suited to 3-4-3. His plans may prove to be the best thing that's happened to Palace in it's 112 year history, with regular top eight and top four finishes, or we may be looking for the next Allardyce by Christmas. The first reliable indication will be how we get on against Huddersfield and the following games, up to Southampton, (assuming he plays 3-4-3) where we should be picking up points. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 27 Jul 17 8.06am

Originally posted by jiepandy

We just don't know do we? What might help is if FdB explained why he thinks that the Palace squad is ideally suited to 3-4-3. His plans may prove to be the best thing that's happened to Palace in it's 112 year history, with regular top eight and top four finishes, or we may be looking for the next Allardyce by Christmas. The first reliable indication will be how we get on against Huddersfield and the following games, up to Southampton, (assuming he plays 3-4-3) where we should be picking up points.

Bexley Dave

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jiepandy Hong Kong 27 Jul 17 8.09am
Hopefully the first half against WBA is an indication of what to expect. As you mentioned we need to be beating the likes of Huddersfield, Southampton and WBA if we want to be in the top half of the table. Hopefully we will not have to go back to "hoof ball"
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Hong Kong 27 Jul 17 8.09am

Hopefully the first half against WBA is an indication of what to expect. As you mentioned we need to be beating the likes of Huddersfield, Southampton and WBA if we want to be in the top half of the table. Hopefully we will not have to go back to "hoof ball"

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Jul 17 8.28am
FDB's appointment was a bold decision by Parish given was has gone on before with managers that have tried to play a more expansive, possession type of game ( Burley, Pardew ). In both those instances our team looked useful with the ball but useless without it. It seems that the style of play has been decided and the question is do we have the players to make that work ? Only time will tell. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Jul 17 8.28am

FDB's appointment was a bold decision by Parish given was has gone on before with managers that have tried to play a more expansive, possession type of game ( Burley, Pardew ). In both those instances our team looked useful with the ball but useless without it.

It seems that the style of play has been decided and the question is do we have the players to make that work ? Only time will tell.

Old, Ungifted and White

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bexleydave Barnehurst 27 Jul 17 8.35am
Originally posted by jiepandy Hopefully the first half against WBA is an indication of what to expect. As you mentioned we need to be beating the likes of Huddersfield, Southampton and WBA if we want to be in the top half of the table. Hopefully we will not have to go back to "hoof ball" I don't really subscribe to the idea that we did under either Pardew or Allardyce. We played a game where we sacrificed possession in favour of the counter attack, frequently up the wings and crossed. If it's a reference to the defence, we have some who are/were (in the case of Sakho) better at distribution than others, but in the final analysis, I'd prefer a defender under pressure to get rid, than be caught in possession. It was only when Pardew tried to 'transition' from a system that was working to one that didn't (involving greater possession) that it all went tits up. Hence my comment with respect to getting an explanation as to why FdB thought the current squad was suited to this change. And as we've only so far signed a 20 year old reserve with no PL experience and a 21 year old with very limited experience, I still think that's a valid question. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 27 Jul 17 8.35am

Originally posted by jiepandy

Hopefully the first half against WBA is an indication of what to expect. As you mentioned we need to be beating the likes of Huddersfield, Southampton and WBA if we want to be in the top half of the table. Hopefully we will not have to go back to "hoof ball"

I don't really subscribe to the idea that we did under either Pardew or Allardyce. We played a game where we sacrificed possession in favour of the counter attack, frequently up the wings and crossed.

If it's a reference to the defence, we have some who are/were (in the case of Sakho) better at distribution than others, but in the final analysis, I'd prefer a defender under pressure to get rid, than be caught in possession.

It was only when Pardew tried to 'transition' from a system that was working to one that didn't (involving greater possession) that it all went tits up. Hence my comment with respect to getting an explanation as to why FdB thought the current squad was suited to this change. And as we've only so far signed a 20 year old reserve with no PL experience and a 21 year old with very limited experience, I still think that's a valid question.

Bexley Dave

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Painter Croydon 27 Jul 17 8.40am
What do people think will be regarded as a good start after 6 Premier league games with de Boer in charge. Looking at the fixtures 9 points minimum.
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Croydon 27 Jul 17 8.40am

What do people think will be regarded as a good start after 6 Premier league games with de Boer in charge.
Looking at the fixtures 9 points minimum.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 27 Jul 17 8.50am
Originally posted by Painter What do people think will be regarded as a good start after 6 Premier league games with de Boer in charge. Looking at the fixtures 9 points minimum. If asked, I'd have said eight to ten, so yeah nine is about right. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 27 Jul 17 8.50am

Originally posted by Painter

What do people think will be regarded as a good start after 6 Premier league games with de Boer in charge.
Looking at the fixtures 9 points minimum.

If asked, I'd have said eight to ten, so yeah nine is about right.

Bexley Dave

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 27 Jul 17 9.47am
Originally posted by bexleydave We just don't know do we? What might help is if FdB explained why he thinks that the Palace squad is ideally suited to 3-4-3. His plans may prove to be the best thing that's happened to Palace in it's 112 year history, with regular top eight and top four finishes, or we may be looking for the next Allardyce by Christmas. The first reliable indication will be how we get on against Huddersfield and the following games, up to Southampton, (assuming he plays 3-4-3) where we should be picking up points. I don't think he walked into Selhurst thinking 'yeah this is a 3-4-3 squad' and he wasn't employed simply to get the best out of our current squad. If that was the aim we'd only ever be a counter-attacking, relegation scrapping side. He's come in to break the mould and evolve our style and squad so we can move beyond being relegation candidates every year. You've got to be looking beyond the opening games for a measure of success, unless you want to be singing 'FDB out' after two weeks (which you might as many fans don't have any patience, vision or desire to be a better team and don't like stepping out of their comfort zone)
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Originally posted by bexleydave

I don't think he walked into Selhurst thinking 'yeah this is a 3-4-3 squad' and he wasn't employed simply to get the best out of our current squad. If that was the aim we'd only ever be a counter-attacking, relegation scrapping side. He's come in to break the mould and evolve our style and squad so we can move beyond being relegation candidates every year. You've got to be looking beyond the opening games for a measure of success, unless you want to be singing 'FDB out' after two weeks (which you might as many fans don't have any patience, vision or desire to be a better team and don't like stepping out of their comfort zone)

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bexleydave Barnehurst 27 Jul 17 10.24am
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet I don't think he walked into Selhurst thinking 'yeah this is a 3-4-3 squad' and he wasn't employed simply to get the best out of our current squad. If that was the aim we'd only ever be a counter-attacking, relegation scrapping side. He's come in to break the mould and evolve our style and squad so we can move beyond being relegation candidates every year. You've got to be looking beyond the opening games for a measure of success, unless you want to be singing 'FDB out' after two weeks (which you might as many fans don't have any patience, vision or desire to be a better team and don't like stepping out of their comfort zone) You can play semantics all you wish, but de Boer is on record as stating he believes 3-4-3 is the best system for us and has been training it from day one, so it's not unreasonable to question why he thinks that. It's fine to have ambition for more 'attractive' football, but if we don't put some points on the board in the first five games, we're very unlikely to do it in the following three. Transition needs to be balanced with results (as Pardew demonstrated only too well) otherwise we really will be "relegation candidates". Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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Barnehurst 27 Jul 17 10.24am

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

You can play semantics all you wish, but de Boer is on record as stating he believes 3-4-3 is the best system for us and has been training it from day one, so it's not unreasonable to question why he thinks that. It's fine to have ambition for more 'attractive' football, but if we don't put some points on the board in the first five games, we're very unlikely to do it in the following three. Transition needs to be balanced with results (as Pardew demonstrated only too well) otherwise we really will be "relegation candidates".

Bexley Dave

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"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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Goldfiinger Just down the road 27 Jul 17 11.05am
Let's not keep forgetting he's also on record saying the players know how to play 433 and thus we can switch to this if necessary but for now he wants to drill us in a new formation. Bizarre how frightened and apprehensive people are of change. Pardew tried to change the system without even coaching the team anything new. Let alone buying players who'd fit the new style better. To link FdB to Pardew is short sighted IMO. It's fun to watch the same people over and over predict doom upon our club rather than embrace change. I wish the guy luck, from everything we hear it sounds as though the team in all age groups are embracing him. Shame some of our fans aren't as ensthustic. I can't wait to watch our youth break through and hopefully us not flirt with relegation. But let's not kid ourselves that if he doesn't achieve top 8 then he's an abject failure. Yes it's his first shot in the division and yes he's making some big changes, so yes he might have some stumbles. It's sad to see people in the wings already waiting to write him off...
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Just down the road 27 Jul 17 11.05am

Let's not keep forgetting he's also on record saying the players know how to play 433 and thus we can switch to this if necessary but for now he wants to drill us in a new formation.

Bizarre how frightened and apprehensive people are of change.

Pardew tried to change the system without even coaching the team anything new. Let alone buying players who'd fit the new style better.

To link FdB to Pardew is short sighted IMO.

It's fun to watch the same people over and over predict doom upon our club rather than embrace change.

I wish the guy luck, from everything we hear it sounds as though the team in all age groups are embracing him.

Shame some of our fans aren't as ensthustic.

I can't wait to watch our youth break through and hopefully us not flirt with relegation.

But let's not kid ourselves that if he doesn't achieve top 8 then he's an abject failure.

Yes it's his first shot in the division and yes he's making some big changes, so yes he might have some stumbles.

It's sad to see people in the wings already waiting to write him off...

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NickinOX Sailing country. 27 Jul 17 12.19pm
Originally posted by bexleydave You can play semantics all you wish, but de Boer is on record as stating he believes 3-4-3 is the best system for us and has been training it from day one, so it's not unreasonable to question why he thinks that. It's fine to have ambition for more 'attractive' football, but if we don't put some points on the board in the first five games, we're very unlikely to do it in the following three. Transition needs to be balanced with results (as Pardew demonstrated only too well) otherwise we really will be "relegation candidates". Why don't you just listen to what he says then? He has made it clear why he thinks it important to try it and it relates to getting the best out of Zaha. As for the last two sentences, where has anyone said different? seriously, who would say the opposite? By the way, for much of the last four seasons we've been a counter attacking side and have struggled. If that is a, supposedly, better method for us, as you are clearly arguing then why has that been the case and/or is that the best we can and should strive for? If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Sailing country. 27 Jul 17 12.19pm

Originally posted by bexleydave

You can play semantics all you wish, but de Boer is on record as stating he believes 3-4-3 is the best system for us and has been training it from day one, so it's not unreasonable to question why he thinks that. It's fine to have ambition for more 'attractive' football, but if we don't put some points on the board in the first five games, we're very unlikely to do it in the following three. Transition needs to be balanced with results (as Pardew demonstrated only too well) otherwise we really will be "relegation candidates".

Why don't you just listen to what he says then? He has made it clear why he thinks it important to try it and it relates to getting the best out of Zaha.

As for the last two sentences, where has anyone said different? seriously, who would say the opposite?

By the way, for much of the last four seasons we've been a counter attacking side and have struggled. If that is a, supposedly, better method for us, as you are clearly arguing then why has that been the case and/or is that the best we can and should strive for?

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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alaneagle1 Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 27 Jul 17 12.37pm
Originally posted by NickinOX Why don't you just listen to what he says then? He has made it clear why he thinks it important to try it and it relates to getting the best out of Zaha. As for the last two sentences, where has anyone said different? seriously, who would say the opposite? By the way, for much of the last four seasons we've been a counter attacking side and have struggled. If that is a, supposedly, better method for us, as you are clearly arguing then why has that been the case and/or is that the best we can and should strive for? Agreed Nick,to many Holers getting confused with formations. 343 purely means nominating 3 recognised defenders like Chelsea did. Palace 13th 2017/18.
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alaneagle1

Dunstable,Bedfordshire.England 27 Jul 17 12.37pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

Why don't you just listen to what he says then? He has made it clear why he thinks it important to try it and it relates to getting the best out of Zaha.

As for the last two sentences, where has anyone said different? seriously, who would say the opposite?

Agreed Nick,to many Holers getting confused with formations.
343 purely means nominating 3 recognised defenders like Chelsea did.

Palace 13th 2017/18.

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