Did you see how poor Man U were yesterday ? Surely if Swansea can get a point there we can. They may even have a Europa Cup final to play the following week as well. Saturday we just weren't on it , I'm sure come Citeh and Hull with players back we can get points.

So I broke into the Palace , with a sponge and a rusty spanner
She said "I know you and you cannot sing"
I said " that's nothing you should hear me play piano"
The Smiths
The Queen is Dead

Thank you! In the dark days after the 4-0 Sunderland defeat we definitely would have taken being 6 points clear (plus vastly superior goal difference) with 3 games to go. What annoys me about some of the quite irritatingly pessimistic posters is that they will say they are being 'realistic' as if believing (note: believing not 'knowing') that we have probably (almost) done enough to stay up is naive. 'I remember Oldham!!' is the refrain. Veering towards the 'I think we will stay up' camp does not mean that you are complacement! Look at this way: it is probably more likely we will stay up than go down. That does not mean we think 'we're safe, let's chill'. I will certainly be cheering on Everton should we lose to City for instance.

The manner of the performance v Burnley was terrible but our injuries combined with the fatigue of playing so many matches in a short period took its toll. But let's remember: Hull and Swansea only took a point each this weekend and Hull's was against Southampton who missed a pen in the last minute! It doesn't mean we are definitely doomed because of it.

I think laddo is not saying 'we'll definitely be fine' rather that the level of negativity/pessimism is extraordinarily disproportionate.

One point closer to the relegation zone at the end of this weekend compared to the end of last weekend, yes. I feel nervous that we play Hull though... I would feel better, actually, if we didn't have to play any of our relegation rivals (would rather avoid 6 pointers).

The injuries have been atrocious, but we're not suddenly s*** over night and I think we'd give most teams in the league a very difficult game still. The Spurs game was tight, decided only by a wonder strike (yes, Spurs were the better team overall) and we were only terrible against Burnley (every Palace fan just knew we'd lose that one and beat one of Spurs and Liverpool).

Swansea need 2 wins and a draw from 3 and Hull will need a win and 2 draws or 2 wins while we fail to pick up a point for both to go ahead of us. We will need all of this to happen for us to go down. Certainly not impossible, hell, not even improbable but certainly very unlikely. To therefore be optimistic about our chances is not stupid. Caution is good, certainly. But some posters (will name no names) honestly think we're now toast.

You can bet that most Hull & Swansea supporters would rather be in our shoes right now.

Man Utd have also got huge injury problems plus the distraction of the Europa League and they may well not be playing for anything important by the last day. And they're the draw specialists.

Can easily see us getting at least a point there on the last day if we really need one.

And you can't rule out Sunderland playing for a bit of pride now that their fate is sealed and the pressure is off.

After we lost to Sunderland and Stoke we were as good as down. Looking at the fixtures, we had to play the top six in April and May. At that stage we were looking Southampton, and the home games against Leicester, Burnley, and Hull as the games we had to win to even be in the picture. We have done better than that.so we should be happy with the poistion we are in. Even if we get a point against City we are not mathamatically safe because if Swansea win their remaing games they would end up with 41 points and if Hull win their remaing games they would end up with 42. A football game is unpridictable so it is a mugs game to try and specualate as to how the matches will pan out. No expert can tell you that. so it is time to relax and accept that what will be will be.