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TheBigToePunt Flag 05 Mar 17 5.04pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Leaving aside whether you think Pulis deserved the chants yesterday or to keep the money and have a stand named after him, can anyone explain to me why he didn't just sit tight until after the season had started, pocket the money and then resign?

I mean why risk it all to get the cash a few weeks earlier, if he could have taken it fair and square and then resigned at (for instance) the closing of the transfer window once the club had failed to sign his targets? It is clear that he didn't have a club lined up or anything.

As I understand it he was due a bonus for keeping us up, not for loyalty. I get that he lied to parish etc but what did he gain by taking the risk?

Also, parish won the case because Pulis obviously intended to resign and lied about it, but so what? The bonus was for keeping us up, not for keeping us up and then staying with us for a certain period of time thereafter. Or was it?

Does anyone actually know?

 

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bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 05 Mar 17 5.16pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Those are all excellent questions. I have never really understood the details of the case and I'm not aware they've ever been made public. Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, my question is what has his keeping us in the PL been worth to the club since? Even if we were legally in the right to pursue the case, I have never wavered from believing we looked a bit cheap pursuing it. I don't suppose we'll ever get to know why he really left like that.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 05 Mar 17 5.19pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

I'm not aware of there being any reporting on Pulis' motivation. It was a bizarre sequence of decisions by him to be sure.

The only thing I can think of is that he had another gig lined up that was time sensitive, but then fell through quickly after he freed himself from his Palace contract.

It would be hilarious if it turns out that his new employer binned him once they realised that he'd do something as c***ish as he did to CPFC. Karma's a bitch.

Edited by Ray in Houston (05 Mar 2017 5.21pm)

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 05 Mar 17 5.25pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I'm not aware of there being any reporting on Pulis' motivation. It was a bizarre sequence of decisions by him to be sure.

The only thing I can think of is that he had another gig lined up that was time sensitive, but then fell through quickly after he freed himself from his Palace contract.

It would be hilarious if it turns out that his new employer binned him once they realised that he'd do something as c***ish as he did to CPFC. Karma's a bitch.

Edited by Ray in Houston (05 Mar 2017 5.21pm)

the highlighted stuff is probably the pivotal bit.

He deserved the bonus, but 'Breach of Contract' makes everything void.
It always pays to read the small print of a contract and understand your obligations. And don't lie.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (05 Mar 2017 5.26pm)

 


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bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 05 Mar 17 5.29pm Send a Private Message to bexleydave Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add bexleydave as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I'm not aware of there being any reporting on Pulis' motivation. It was a bizarre sequence of decisions by him to be sure.

The only thing I can think of is that he had another gig lined up that was time sensitive, but then fell through quickly after he freed himself from his Palace contract.

It would be hilarious if it turns out that his new employer binned him once they realised that he'd do something as c***ish as he did to CPFC. Karma's a bitch.


That's just more speculation based on nothing whatsoever. Pulis put a huge amount into that pre-season preparation, much more that Pardew's little jolly, which suggested he was probably expecting to be here at the start of the season. The only likely reason, that carries any credibility, is a disagreement on the transfer policy, the detail of which, if true, is unknown. What a pity that the board didn't have a similar disagreement with Pardew.

 


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essetwentyone Flag london 05 Mar 17 5.33pm Send a Private Message to essetwentyone Add essetwentyone as a friend

By lying to Parish he broke his contract and by leaving on the eve of a new season he left the club in a precarious position which could have resulted in our relegation thus negating his previous success of keeping us up - for that he is liable as decided by the arbitration panel.
He had agreed to abide by their decision beforehand so therefore has no possibility to appeal.
As a result of his resignation the club suffered.
Why he acted so stupidly is anyone's guess but one theory is that he was already lined up for the West Brom job and that his action would cause maximum damage to one of their direct rivals. On top of that someone made a nice few quid by betting on the first manager to leave market !!!
I have no sympathy for him at all. I don't think it makes us look small - quite the opposite - it shows that we will not be messed about and it makes him look the fool he undoubtedly was.

 

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TheBigToePunt Flag 05 Mar 17 5.34pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Perhaps that's what it is Forest, breach of contract? Presumably there isn't a clause in managers deals to allow them to resign subject to a notice period like most of us. I suppose once you ask the club to cancel the contract you can't benefit from its terms?

Still doesn't entirely make sense though.

 

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babylonjohn Flag St Leonards-on-Sea 05 Mar 17 5.50pm Send a Private Message to babylonjohn Add babylonjohn as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Leaving aside whether you think Pulis deserved the chants yesterday or to keep the money and have a stand named after him, can anyone explain to me why he didn't just sit tight until after the season had started, pocket the money and then resign?

I mean why risk it all to get the cash a few weeks earlier, if he could have taken it fair and square and then resigned at (for instance) the closing of the transfer window once the club had failed to sign his targets? It is clear that he didn't have a club lined up or anything.

As I understand it he was due a bonus for keeping us up, not for loyalty. I get that he lied to parish etc but what did he gain by taking the risk?

Also, parish won the case because Pulis obviously intended to resign and lied about it, but so what? The bonus was for keeping us up, not for keeping us up and then staying with us for a certain period of time thereafter. Or was it?

Does anyone actually know?

I thought the deal with the bonus was twofold. Keeping us up AND remaining at the club till a certain date minimum.
He'd fulfilled the hardest part of that requirement and if he'd waited 2 more weeks he would have been ok.. I can only think he hadn't understood the smallprint properly and didn't take any legal advice before deciding to quit.

I also suspect he was unhappy that Parish hadn't given him a blank cheque book and more say. Im sure he would have rather spent money on several 7ft defenders instead of getting Wilf back from man.u.


Edited by babylonjohn (05 Mar 2017 5.54pm)

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 05 Mar 17 5.53pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by bexleydave

Those are all excellent questions. I have never really understood the details of the case and I'm not aware they've ever been made public. Whatever the rights and wrongs of it, my question is what has his keeping us in the PL been worth to the club since? Even if we were legally in the right to pursue the case, I have never wavered from believing we looked a bit cheap pursuing it. I don't suppose we'll ever get to know why he really left like that.

I agree and think that whatever steps Parish takes to enforce the judgement will make us look even cheaper as I'm sure that most people (except Palace supporters) will think that he earned the bonus by keeping us in the Premiership and look at us as the club that is happy to shaft it's managers as well as it's suppliers,

If and it's a big if Pulis had been approached by West Ham he could have just waited a week to fulfil his contractual obligations and then ask Parish to be released from his contract much as Dougie Freedman did before him which is why that conspiracy theory doesn't make sense.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 05 Mar 17 5.56pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by babylonjohn

I also suspect he was unhappy that Parish hadn't given him a blank cheque book and more say. Im sure he would have rather spent money on several 7ft defenders instead of getting Wilf back from man.u.

That seems like the view of a Palace supporter with tunnel vision for two reasons. Firstly there would have been an outline agreement with Parish about how much would be available and secondly he hasn't been spending West Brom's money on several 7ft defenders has he

 

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cpfc1976 Flag Reading 05 Mar 17 6.33pm Send a Private Message to cpfc1976 Add cpfc1976 as a friend

We don't know the reason he left but he did put himself before the club whom had/were giving him millions of pounds. That is his prerogative. He kept us up and did an amazing job.

He left when he did and it left us in the lurch big time and I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. Felt exactly the same when Dowie left like he did.

Frankly these people do fantastically well out of football, I don't shed one tear if the reason for leaving is that great they can't wait a week or so for getting several million or however much it was. Lots of people stay in minimum wage jobs for years, hating what they do, but still turning up every day because they aren't as fortunate as TP and many others in football.

His leaving left us in a bad way and if anyone looks cheap it's him in my opinion. Screw him.

 

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palacer Flag Crystal Palace 05 Mar 17 6.35pm Send a Private Message to palacer Add palacer as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Leaving aside whether you think Pulis deserved the chants yesterday or to keep the money and have a stand named after him, can anyone explain to me why he didn't just sit tight until after the season had started, pocket the money and then resign?

I mean why risk it all to get the cash a few weeks earlier, if he could have taken it fair and square and then resigned at (for instance) the closing of the transfer window once the club had failed to sign his targets? It is clear that he didn't have a club lined up or anything.

As I understand it he was due a bonus for keeping us up, not for loyalty. I get that he lied to parish etc but what did he gain by taking the risk?

Also, parish won the case because Pulis obviously intended to resign and lied about it, but so what? The bonus was for keeping us up, not for keeping us up and then staying with us for a certain period of time thereafter. Or was it?

Does anyone actually know?

It looks like by the timing day before start of season. that he got his money and then tried to hold club to ransom for more or he d leave. That is only what I think may of hapened though. we will never know for sure.

 


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