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mattteo Flag 21 Jan 17 5.10pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Every wannabe manager who wants to claim "I changed something" goes from the 4 back line to the 5 back back line. If it worked for Juventus and, until now, for Chelsea, it doesn't mean it will work for everyone.
Juventus dominates an Italian football because they spend the most money, they could play whatever system. In Alegri's first year they played 4-4-2 and still came first (with a midfield of Pirlo, Marchisio, Pogba and Vidal)

This 3-5-2 formation basically puts in an extra center back. That's it. You take out an attacking player and put in an extra central defender. Not even a side defender, but a CENTRAL DEFENDER. It's a great tactic when you meet better teams, when you play qualifying matches or away games.

But when you play in a championship and you'd rather have a win and a loss from 2 games instead of 2 draws (cause 3 points are better than 2) then having an extra center back in the first 11 is not what you want.

What was the team against Everton? No Townsend or Zaha, Remy came on and Tomkins got a start. Notice? Remy for Townsend, offensive player for offensive player. Tomkins for Zaha, defensive player for offensive player.

Yes, Schlupp was a great improvement from Ward, because he's basically a left wing and Ward wasn't even left footed.

Whoever was around in 2002 remembers that this had happened before. The Italian teams were highly regarded and their 5 defenders system was exported in all the world. Pretty much every team at the 2002 World Cup played 3-5-2.

But after that....everyone woke up. People saw that teams scored a lot less. Everywhere. So pretty much every team gave up that extra defender for an extra attacking man.

It doesn't work for Sunderland, it doesn't work for Hull, it doesn't work for Watford.
It only works for Chelsea and it's been recently tried at Everton too, though we'll see in the long term. They have very offensive fullbacks though in Baines and Coleman.

 

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steven_t92 Flag Orpington 21 Jan 17 5.13pm Send a Private Message to steven_t92 Add steven_t92 as a friend

Get lost, admins can you just give this guy his second yellow and ban him?

 

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Icepick Tony Flag Chester 21 Jan 17 5.13pm Send a Private Message to Icepick Tony Add Icepick Tony as a friend

Our Back 4 has been the main reason we are where we are, trying to sure it up with an extra man and matching the team you're playing makes sense and to be fair it did work whilst the game was 11 v 11.

 


"They got his own song 'He's just too good for you', it's quite unbelievable but when you see it and he's facing up someone - I actually feel sorry for them, 'Cos he actually is" - Ian Holloway

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tonymikejoe Flag UK 21 Jan 17 5.32pm Send a Private Message to tonymikejoe Add tonymikejoe as a friend

Zaha was not dropped today.

Who is this fool?

 

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spartakev2 Flag Anerley 21 Jan 17 5.49pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Are you ever going to say anything positive. I thought the system worked really well for us today and we almost got a point against a very good everton side who put 4 past city last week. What was more important to me was that every player gave 10% today and were shattered at the end. Something I haven't seen for a long while. If we play like we did today against the 'lower ' reams I feel confident we will pick up points.

 

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Bangell Flag Oxford 21 Jan 17 5.52pm Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

Probably not the long-term solution for us but it seriously improved us today. We're trying to force our measly squad into an optimal line-up and today we got our best 11 onto the pitch.

 

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joe_cpfc Flag Basingstoke 21 Jan 17 5.58pm Send a Private Message to joe_cpfc Add joe_cpfc as a friend

Thought we looked good at 3-5-2. Was only when Remy went off knackered we had to go back to the usual s*** scared suicidal deep defending and looked s***e again.

 

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slubglurge Flag welling 21 Jan 17 6.02pm Send a Private Message to slubglurge Add slubglurge as a friend

If this is the way we are going to play then Wilf will be the right wing back so i think Townsend will leave in the window. There is no place for him with this system

 

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Icepick Tony Flag Chester 21 Jan 17 6.03pm Send a Private Message to Icepick Tony Add Icepick Tony as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Every wannabe manager who wants to claim "I changed something" goes from the 4 back line to the 5 back back line. If it worked for Juventus and, until now, for Chelsea, it doesn't mean it will work for everyone.
Juventus dominates an Italian football because they spend the most money, they could play whatever system. In Alegri's first year they played 4-4-2 and still came first (with a midfield of Pirlo, Marchisio, Pogba and Vidal)

This 3-5-2 formation basically puts in an extra center back. That's it. You take out an attacking player and put in an extra central defender. Not even a side defender, but a CENTRAL DEFENDER. It's a great tactic when you meet better teams, when you play qualifying matches or away games.

But when you play in a championship and you'd rather have a win and a loss from 2 games instead of 2 draws (cause 3 points are better than 2) then having an extra center back in the first 11 is not what you want.

What was the team against Everton? No Townsend or Zaha, Remy came on and Tomkins got a start. Notice? Remy for Townsend, offensive player for offensive player. Tomkins for Zaha, defensive player for offensive player.

Yes, Schlupp was a great improvement from Ward, because he's basically a left wing and Ward wasn't even left footed.

Whoever was around in 2002 remembers that this had happened before. The Italian teams were highly regarded and their 5 defenders system was exported in all the world. Pretty much every team at the 2002 World Cup played 3-5-2.

But after that....everyone woke up. People saw that teams scored a lot less. Everywhere. So pretty much every team gave up that extra defender for an extra attacking man.

It doesn't work for Sunderland, it doesn't work for Hull, it doesn't work for Watford.
It only works for Chelsea and it's been recently tried at Everton too, though we'll see in the long term. They have very offensive fullbacks though in Baines and Coleman.

Number 1, it frees up more attacking wingbacks which suits Schlupp down to the ground and Ward has his moments going forwards. For a team leaking goals it adds an extra man whilst defending but also allowed us to play 2 strikers and keep a relatively solid midfield.

Number 2, we were playing a better team who also deployed the same system so we tried to nullify them whilst getting our strongest 11 out. On both counts it worked until we were down to 10 but then, 10 vs 11 is always a disadvantage.

All in all, whether you like the system or not we stopped a form team, who had banged 4 goals past one of the best in the league, from battering us and nearly got a vital point that we desperately need.

 


"They got his own song 'He's just too good for you', it's quite unbelievable but when you see it and he's facing up someone - I actually feel sorry for them, 'Cos he actually is" - Ian Holloway

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Aray Flag South London 21 Jan 17 6.08pm Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

I sometimes wonder about the posters on here. We have no left back of any quality and it's clearly been a problem all season. Playing 3 at the back provides a solution. Jeez

 

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Happiness Stan Flag Itchycoo Park 21 Jan 17 6.20pm Send a Private Message to Happiness Stan Add Happiness Stan as a friend

One of my favourite palace squads played 3-5-2 under Harry Bassett back in the 90s. Lovely football we played then. Hopkin was on fire that season behind the front two.

 


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MR200% Flag 21 Jan 17 6.26pm Send a Private Message to MR200% Add MR200% as a friend

Best display by Palace I've seen from ages Heart and soul ,Players looked very comfortable with the setup Remy and Benteke will score goals for us in that set up

 

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