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 CPFC_Albert  02 Dec 16 1.32pm |
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Whatever happened to loyalty in football? To say the results haven't been good enough in 2016 is an understatement, and I wouldn't say I'm Pardew's biggest fan as a person, however, this is a manager who got us to the FA cup final, something that for many Palace fans born post 1990 cup final would only have ever occurred in their wildest dreams given the time spent in the considerable time spent in the Championship since. In my 46 years of supporting Palace, I've never particularly considered us to be a big club, and whilst I'd like us to compete with the very best at the top of the Premier League, I'm realistic enough to accept this is unlikely to be the case and to be honest, it really doesn't bother me either. Therefore, the mindset of some supporters completely astonishes me. For example, I sit near the tunnel and the abuse AP received at the end of the game (a game in which we more than competed with the potential PL champions throughout) was quite frankly appalling. Where has this sense of entitlement shown by some of us come from. Were we expected to beat City (Just an example)? I'd imagine 90% of the football obsessed population of the UK plumped for an away win that day. Ok, we've spent large sums of money in the summer to improve the squad, which the majority would agree was an improvement, but so have most other clubs in the league. And yes, the results haven't been good enough, but the performances have actually been reasonably good. Alan Pardew cannot defend set pieces for the team, so if his players let him down by switching off how can it possibly be considered his fault? On top of this, we've had some awful luck with injuries which none of us (including Pardew) would've foreseen, and in January we will no doubt rectify the lack of cover. So my point is, would it be such a horrific act of 'arrogance' by Parish to stick by Pardew for the rest of the season? Or do we want Fat Sam to come in and revert back to the days of backs to the wall defending and maybe scraping the odd 1-0 here and there? We're the 5th top scorers in the league, but nobody wants to focus on the positives these days. I honestly do not believe we will go down this season, with or without Pardew and for once in football I'd like to see a bit of loyalty shown towards a man who genuinely cares about our club.
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| Bangell Oxford 02 Dec 16 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by CPFC_Albert
Whatever happened to loyalty in football? To say the results haven't been good enough in 2016 is an understatement, and I wouldn't say I'm Pardew's biggest fan as a person, however, this is a manager who got us to the FA cup final, something that for many Palace fans born post 1990 cup final would only have ever occurred in their wildest dreams given the time spent in the considerable time spent in the Championship since. In my 46 years of supporting Palace, I've never particularly considered us to be a big club, and whilst I'd like us to compete with the very best at the top of the Premier League, I'm realistic enough to accept this is unlikely to be the case and to be honest, it really doesn't bother me either. Therefore, the mindset of some supporters completely astonishes me. For example, I sit near the tunnel and the abuse AP received at the end of the game (a game in which we more than competed with the potential PL champions throughout) was quite frankly appalling. Where has this sense of entitlement shown by some of us come from. Were we expected to beat City (Just an example)? I'd imagine 90% of the football obsessed population of the UK plumped for an away win that day. Ok, we've spent large sums of money in the summer to improve the squad, which the majority would agree was an improvement, but so have most other clubs in the league. And yes, the results haven't been good enough, but the performances have actually been reasonably good. Alan Pardew cannot defend set pieces for the team, so if his players let him down by switching off how can it possibly be considered his fault? On top of this, we've had some awful luck with injuries which none of us (including Pardew) would've foreseen, and in January we will no doubt rectify the lack of cover. So my point is, would it be such a horrific act of 'arrogance' by Parish to stick by Pardew for the rest of the season? Or do we want Fat Sam to come in and revert back to the days of backs to the wall defending and maybe scraping the odd 1-0 here and there? We're the 5th top scorers in the league, but nobody wants to focus on the positives these days. I honestly do not believe we will go down this season, with or without Pardew and for once in football I'd like to see a bit of loyalty shown towards a man who genuinely cares about our club. I think most of the rest of us are quite worried that we are in relegation danger, based on our position in the table and the ever-increasing rate at which we're shipping goals.
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 Bill Glazier Mitcham 02 Dec 16 1.44pm |
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Very good post.
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| Casual Orpington 02 Dec 16 1.51pm |
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Originally posted by CPFC_Albert
Whatever happened to loyalty in football? To say the results haven't been good enough in 2016 is an understatement, and I wouldn't say I'm Pardew's biggest fan as a person, however, this is a manager who got us to the FA cup final, something that for many Palace fans born post 1990 cup final would only have ever occurred in their wildest dreams given the time spent in the considerable time spent in the Championship since. In my 46 years of supporting Palace, I've never particularly considered us to be a big club, and whilst I'd like us to compete with the very best at the top of the Premier League, I'm realistic enough to accept this is unlikely to be the case and to be honest, it really doesn't bother me either. Therefore, the mindset of some supporters completely astonishes me. For example, I sit near the tunnel and the abuse AP received at the end of the game (a game in which we more than competed with the potential PL champions throughout) was quite frankly appalling. Where has this sense of entitlement shown by some of us come from. Were we expected to beat City (Just an example)? I'd imagine 90% of the football obsessed population of the UK plumped for an away win that day. Ok, we've spent large sums of money in the summer to improve the squad, which the majority would agree was an improvement, but so have most other clubs in the league. And yes, the results haven't been good enough, but the performances have actually been reasonably good. Alan Pardew cannot defend set pieces for the team, so if his players let him down by switching off how can it possibly be considered his fault? On top of this, we've had some awful luck with injuries which none of us (including Pardew) would've foreseen, and in January we will no doubt rectify the lack of cover. So my point is, would it be such a horrific act of 'arrogance' by Parish to stick by Pardew for the rest of the season? Or do we want Fat Sam to come in and revert back to the days of backs to the wall defending and maybe scraping the odd 1-0 here and there? We're the 5th top scorers in the league, but nobody wants to focus on the positives these days. I honestly do not believe we will go down this season, with or without Pardew and for once in football I'd like to see a bit of loyalty shown towards a man who genuinely cares about our club. Loyal like Wilf? 'He's one of our own', only because he wasn't good enough for united, you'll see about loyalty if Pardew went on a good run and a top four club came in for him .
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| Palace BANANA Ringmer, Lewes, East Sussex 02 Dec 16 1.55pm |
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You say 'Alan Pardew can't defend the set plays', I totally agree but he should've prepared/coached the players in how to defend the set plays.. we used to have one of the meanest defences, we didn't score a lot but we didn't concede many either, so what's happened to the 'mean defence'?.. I've been to most of the league games this season, and we've played well going forward in most and deserved a point at least out of all the games we've lost, apart from maybe Liverpool at home who were awesome, but our defending at times has been like schoolboys just learning the art of marking and defending.. too many mistakes and too many players left unmarked, very poor to be honest
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| CPFC_Albert 02 Dec 16 2.05pm |
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Originally posted by Casual
Loyal like Wilf? 'He's one of our own', only because he wasn't good enough for united, you'll see about loyalty if Pardew went on a good run and a top four club came in for him .
Are you suggesting that you begrudged Wilf a move from Crystal Palace to Manchester United? I was as disappointed as anyone to see him leave, but I didn't blame him for a second. Pardew won't be offered a job at a top four club, he isn't in the same league as Conte, Klopp etc. But if he was offered a top job whilst at Palace it would be directly linked to being successful at Palace. Would that be such a bad thing?
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 02 Dec 16 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by CPFC_Albert
Whatever happened to loyalty in football? To say the results haven't been good enough in 2016 is an understatement, and I wouldn't say I'm Pardew's biggest fan as a person, however, this is a manager who got us to the FA cup final, something that for many Palace fans born post 1990 cup final would only have ever occurred in their wildest dreams given the time spent in the considerable time spent in the Championship since. In my 46 years of supporting Palace, I've never particularly considered us to be a big club, and whilst I'd like us to compete with the very best at the top of the Premier League, I'm realistic enough to accept this is unlikely to be the case and to be honest, it really doesn't bother me either. Therefore, the mindset of some supporters completely astonishes me. For example, I sit near the tunnel and the abuse AP received at the end of the game (a game in which we more than competed with the potential PL champions throughout) was quite frankly appalling. Where has this sense of entitlement shown by some of us come from. Were we expected to beat City (Just an example)? I'd imagine 90% of the football obsessed population of the UK plumped for an away win that day. Ok, we've spent large sums of money in the summer to improve the squad, which the majority would agree was an improvement, but so have most other clubs in the league. And yes, the results haven't been good enough, but the performances have actually been reasonably good. Alan Pardew cannot defend set pieces for the team, so if his players let him down by switching off how can it possibly be considered his fault? On top of this, we've had some awful luck with injuries which none of us (including Pardew) would've foreseen, and in January we will no doubt rectify the lack of cover. So my point is, would it be such a horrific act of 'arrogance' by Parish to stick by Pardew for the rest of the season? Or do we want Fat Sam to come in and revert back to the days of backs to the wall defending and maybe scraping the odd 1-0 here and there? We're the 5th top scorers in the league, but nobody wants to focus on the positives these days. I honestly do not believe we will go down this season, with or without Pardew and for once in football I'd like to see a bit of loyalty shown towards a man who genuinely cares about our club. Parish's responsibility is to the club and not one of its employees. Ultimately Parish has to judge whether Pardew can turn the ship around in a short amount of time. If he cant he should bring someone in who can
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| georgey wood South London and Proud 02 Dec 16 2.23pm |
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Albert - I totally agree with supporting the club and current manager for 90 minutes of any game that involves the glaziers of South London. However the manager surely has a part to play in organising set pieces, not having adequate cover at LB (clearly doesn't fancy fryers no matter how bad Kelly plays, and setting up our side with no legs in midfield (especially away from home) I presuming you didn't go away to Burnley and Swansea (forgive me if I'm wrong) the performances weren't attacking and free flowing at all! We We're chasing the Burnley game (who have one tactic of fast breaks off of their big target man) which ripped us apart in 10 minutes and meant we just chased the game like a cup final as had nothing to lose. Swansea was worse we took the lead and still ended up chasing like a cup final against an awful side with a mental baseball coach as gaffer. We had 4' shots and luckily scored 4 they could have had 8. My point is it's not tactically progressive were being forced to chase games due to poor defending. So Pardew is colluding us into this transition attacking style as were scoring. The passing is still poor, our goals come from set plays, oppo mistakes or Zaha individual magic. It really is time for a change ( and that's nothing to do with Pardews character or commitment he's just not up to keeping us up with this new style as we don't have the squad to go toe to toe with everyone as enjoyable as it may be to the neutrals!!!!) People should boo all they want at the end of the game if the Same managerial mistakes keep happening. I hope we win Saturday but it will more to do with luck and last roll of Pardews dice, than a successful transition of playing style. Eagles......
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| dynamicdick Dormansland 02 Dec 16 2.34pm |
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Originally posted by CPFC_Albert
Whatever happened to loyalty in football? To say the results haven't been good enough in 2016 is an understatement, and I wouldn't say I'm Pardew's biggest fan as a person, however, this is a manager who got us to the FA cup final, something that for many Palace fans born post 1990 cup final would only have ever occurred in their wildest dreams given the time spent in the considerable time spent in the Championship since. In my 46 years of supporting Palace, I've never particularly considered us to be a big club, and whilst I'd like us to compete with the very best at the top of the Premier League, I'm realistic enough to accept this is unlikely to be the case and to be honest, it really doesn't bother me either. Therefore, the mindset of some supporters completely astonishes me. For example, I sit near the tunnel and the abuse AP received at the end of the game (a game in which we more than competed with the potential PL champions throughout) was quite frankly appalling. Where has this sense of entitlement shown by some of us come from. Were we expected to beat City (Just an example)? I'd imagine 90% of the football obsessed population of the UK plumped for an away win that day. Ok, we've spent large sums of money in the summer to improve the squad, which the majority would agree was an improvement, but so have most other clubs in the league. And yes, the results haven't been good enough, but the performances have actually been reasonably good. Alan Pardew cannot defend set pieces for the team, so if his players let him down by switching off how can it possibly be considered his fault? On top of this, we've had some awful luck with injuries which none of us (including Pardew) would've foreseen, and in January we will no doubt rectify the lack of cover. So my point is, would it be such a horrific act of 'arrogance' by Parish to stick by Pardew for the rest of the season? Or do we want Fat Sam to come in and revert back to the days of backs to the wall defending and maybe scraping the odd 1-0 here and there? We're the 5th top scorers in the league, but nobody wants to focus on the positives these days. I honestly do not believe we will go down this season, with or without Pardew and for once in football I'd like to see a bit of loyalty shown towards a man who genuinely cares about our club. To care about a club you have to care about the people in it and there I rest my case!
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| Jules111 Preston, Lancashire 02 Dec 16 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by CPFC_Albert
Whatever happened to loyalty in football? To say the results haven't been good enough in 2016 is an understatement, and I wouldn't say I'm Pardew's biggest fan as a person, however, this is a manager who got us to the FA cup final, something that for many Palace fans born post 1990 cup final would only have ever occurred in their wildest dreams given the time spent in the considerable time spent in the Championship since. In my 46 years of supporting Palace, I've never particularly considered us to be a big club, and whilst I'd like us to compete with the very best at the top of the Premier League, I'm realistic enough to accept this is unlikely to be the case and to be honest, it really doesn't bother me either. Therefore, the mindset of some supporters completely astonishes me. For example, I sit near the tunnel and the abuse AP received at the end of the game (a game in which we more than competed with the potential PL champions throughout) was quite frankly appalling. Where has this sense of entitlement shown by some of us come from. Were we expected to beat City (Just an example)? I'd imagine 90% of the football obsessed population of the UK plumped for an away win that day. Ok, we've spent large sums of money in the summer to improve the squad, which the majority would agree was an improvement, but so have most other clubs in the league. And yes, the results haven't been good enough, but the performances have actually been reasonably good. Alan Pardew cannot defend set pieces for the team, so if his players let him down by switching off how can it possibly be considered his fault? On top of this, we've had some awful luck with injuries which none of us (including Pardew) would've foreseen, and in January we will no doubt rectify the lack of cover. So my point is, would it be such a horrific act of 'arrogance' by Parish to stick by Pardew for the rest of the season? Or do we want Fat Sam to come in and revert back to the days of backs to the wall defending and maybe scraping the odd 1-0 here and there? We're the 5th top scorers in the league, but nobody wants to focus on the positives these days. I honestly do not believe we will go down this season, with or without Pardew and for once in football I'd like to see a bit of loyalty shown towards a man who genuinely cares about our club. I agree with all of the above. Cracking post
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| Midlands Eagle 02 Dec 16 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
Parish's responsibility is to the club and not one of its employees. Ultimately Parish has to judge whether Pardew can turn the ship around in a short amount of time. If he cant he should bring someone in who can Actually Parish's responsibility is to the shareholders but I take your point anyway
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Seth  On a pale blue dot 02 Dec 16 2.51pm |
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Pretty much the only loyalty in football is from fans. The very occasional player (eg Gerrard, Le Tissier) stays at a club for their whole career, but 99.9% of players, managers and coaches would jump ship in a heartbeat if a better offer came along. Let's not forget Pardew touting himself for the England job when things were going well, or our "hero" Dougie f*cking off to Bolton when he thought they were a better prospect than Palace. To me loyalty to a club means wanting what's best for it, not blindly following a leader when they've clearly lost the plot. It's in the best interests of CPFC if Pardew goes (unless he oversees an immediate and unlikely change of fortunes) and it's not disloyal to make that known to the decision makers at the club.
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