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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 15 11.17am | |
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But nothing like the same emphasis is given to what I consider to be the most ridiculous and invasive set of laws that are still actively pursued: sex trade laws. Very little lefty outcry on that....Too busy doing hash to be bothered no doubt. The implementation of these laws not only criminalises people who don't intend to harm others but it puts them at greater risk of physical harm, putting them onto the street instead of brothels that can be protected....And has the sheer ridiculous situation where the State sticks its nose into a sex act and evaluates whether it's valid or not because money changed hands. It's not illegal for young women to pursue and marry rich old men.....That's practically the same thing. Why do we still have these laws?
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Southampton_Eagle At the after party 24 Oct 15 12.34pm | |
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Been caught have you?
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Oct 15 12.44pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Oct 2015 11.17am
But nothing like the same emphasis is given to what I consider to be the most ridiculous and invasive set of laws that are still actively pursued: sex trade laws. Very little lefty outcry on that....Too busy doing hash to be bothered no doubt. The implementation of these laws not only criminalises people who don't intend to harm others but it puts them at greater risk of physical harm, putting them onto the street instead of brothels that can be protected....And has the sheer ridiculous situation where the State sticks its nose into a sex act and evaluates whether it's valid or not because money changed hands. It's not illegal for young women to pursue and marry rich old men.....That's practically the same thing. Why do we still have these laws?
Even in places like Amsterdam and Germany where the sextrade is legal, there are still problems and debates, and that would perhpas be the place to start - how exactly has it worked in Holland? Whilst it seems like most are happy with the situation, I beleive that the influx of Eastern European prostitutes has caused a lot of problems. Not that I am any particular expert on the matter. Another thing I would say is this - a bit like cannabis, it may be illegal but usually it is hardly the police's priority to arrest prostitutes or their customers. I would suspect that without being legal or decriminalised, that prostitutes openly advertise as legitimate 'escorts' and face little harrassment from law enforcement due to it. Edited by ASCPFC (24 Oct 2015 12.47pm)
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serial thriller The Promised Land 24 Oct 15 12.54pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Oct 2015 11.17am
But nothing like the same emphasis is given to what I consider to be the most ridiculous and invasive set of laws that are still actively pursued: sex trade laws. Very little lefty outcry on that....Too busy doing hash to be bothered no doubt. The implementation of these laws not only criminalises people who don't intend to harm others but it puts them at greater risk of physical harm, putting them onto the street instead of brothels that can be protected....And has the sheer ridiculous situation where the State sticks its nose into a sex act and evaluates whether it's valid or not because money changed hands. It's not illegal for young women to pursue and marry rich old men.....That's practically the same thing. Why do we still have these laws? Stirling, it's myopic to suggest that 'the left' isn't doing anything with regards to the ridiculous prostitution laws. On a global level, lots of anti-slavery action groups focus primarily on the sex trade, and counselling and refuges have been set up by a lot of left-leaning and feminist groups in an attempt to help sex workers. Nationally, a lot of grass roots feminist and LGBT work has been done in a similar vein. Cuts to local government funding have also had a massive effect on the ability of local councils to provide support to women's refuges, and of course a lot of prostitutes in this country are either here illegally, thus are given no citizen's rights, or are homeless, drug dependent etc. I also think grouping gay rights alongside drug and prostitution laws is a bit ridiculous. Homosexuality isn't a black market commodity, its a sexual orientation rooted in our biology which around 10/20% of human beings possess. Prostitution on the other hand, is often - but not by any means exclusively - a symptom of a society with high levels of poverty or inequality. The same can be said of drug addiction and usage. I would agree with you though, criminalising these practices does a hell of a lot more harm than good.
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johnno42000 24 Oct 15 1.42pm | |
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Is the reason it isn't legalised because there is a secret thrill for MP's that they may be caught and punished.
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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 15 2.48pm | |
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Quote Southampton_Eagle at 24 Oct 2015 12.34pm
Been caught have you? I went with one as a twenty year old as an experience. Bad idea, it became apparent that she was a druggie....I found myself in a strange house with lots of dubious people....I regretted it.....I've never done it again. My opinion on this isn't about me.
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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 15 2.56pm | |
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Quote serial thriller at 24 Oct 2015 12.54pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Oct 2015 11.17am
But nothing like the same emphasis is given to what I consider to be the most ridiculous and invasive set of laws that are still actively pursued: sex trade laws. Very little lefty outcry on that....Too busy doing hash to be bothered no doubt. The implementation of these laws not only criminalises people who don't intend to harm others but it puts them at greater risk of physical harm, putting them onto the street instead of brothels that can be protected....And has the sheer ridiculous situation where the State sticks its nose into a sex act and evaluates whether it's valid or not because money changed hands. It's not illegal for young women to pursue and marry rich old men.....That's practically the same thing. Why do we still have these laws? Stirling, it's myopic to suggest that 'the left' isn't doing anything with regards to the ridiculous prostitution laws. On a global level, lots of anti-slavery action groups focus primarily on the sex trade, and counselling and refuges have been set up by a lot of left-leaning and feminist groups in an attempt to help sex workers. Nationally, a lot of grass roots feminist and LGBT work has been done in a similar vein. Cuts to local government funding have also had a massive effect on the ability of local councils to provide support to women's refuges, and of course a lot of prostitutes in this country are either here illegally, thus are given no citizen's rights, or are homeless, drug dependent etc. I also think grouping gay rights alongside drug and prostitution laws is a bit ridiculous. Homosexuality isn't a black market commodity, its a sexual orientation rooted in our biology which around 10/20% of human beings possess. Prostitution on the other hand, is often - but not by any means exclusively - a symptom of a society with high levels of poverty or inequality. The same can be said of drug addiction and usage. I would agree with you though, criminalising these practices does a hell of a lot more harm than good.
With a few notable exceptions they pay far more weight and emphasis upon the drug legalization issue than they do prostitution. I will say that the left have done more good work on this than the right who I'm ashamed to say are mostly the problem behind these laws. However, it's the left that keep this a minor issue. They are more interested in protecting weed growers than they are from reducing the chance that mostly young girls/women will suffer terrible abuse from any one of a number of different avenues. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2015 2.56pm)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Oct 15 4.30pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 Oct 2015 11.17am
But nothing like the same emphasis is given to what I consider to be the most ridiculous and invasive set of laws that are still actively pursued: sex trade laws. Very little lefty outcry on that....Too busy doing hash to be bothered no doubt. The implementation of these laws not only criminalises people who don't intend to harm others but it puts them at greater risk of physical harm, putting them onto the street instead of brothels that can be protected....And has the sheer ridiculous situation where the State sticks its nose into a sex act and evaluates whether it's valid or not because money changed hands. It's not illegal for young women to pursue and marry rich old men.....That's practically the same thing. Why do we still have these laws? Entirely agree, although in fairness prostitution itself isn't actually illegal, and many get around this through 'escorting' and 'massage' fronts. Most of the laws around prostitution are about 'street walking, curb crawling and brothels'. Most offences in the uk are for solicitation and kerb crawling offences, which occur in public (and for running brothels).
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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 15 7.39pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 Oct 2015 4.30pm
Entirely agree, although in fairness prostitution itself isn't actually illegal, and many get around this through 'escorting' and 'massage' fronts. Most of the laws around prostitution are about 'street walking, curb crawling and brothels'. Most offences in the uk are for solicitation and kerb crawling offences, which occur in public (and for running brothels).
The sooner we grow up about sex in our western culture the better for most of us......It's a hangover from religion that hurts plenty of people.
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Catfish Burgess Hill 24 Oct 15 8.42pm | |
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Dont think prostitution is illegal - it is soliciting that is.
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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 15 8.58pm | |
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Quote Catfish at 24 Oct 2015 8.42pm
Dont think prostitution is illegal - it is soliciting that is.
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