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leggedstruggle Croydon 06 Oct 15 8.18am
[Link] Many people have been telling the government this for many years. The response has always been to deny it and to tell us to 'celebrate' the situation. Inevitably realty kicks in and they have to accept what has been obvious. What are they going to do about it? Leaving the EU would be the first major step - along with discouraging divisive multi-culturalism. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 06 Oct 15 8.18am

Many people have been telling the government this for many years. The response has always been to deny it and to tell us to 'celebrate' the situation. Inevitably realty kicks in and they have to accept what has been obvious. What are they going to do about it? Leaving the EU would be the first major step - along with discouraging divisive multi-culturalism.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 06 Oct 15 9.05am
I can't help but see this as an opportunistic response to the new rhetoric of the opposition. By once more pushing immigration to the front of political debate, Cameron is able to disregard the fact that we are seeing the largest fall in living standards in a century, a further cut in income for the poorest in society via cuts to tax credits, house prices at an all-time high while house building is at a 50 year low. For Teresa May to have the cheek to come out and blame migration on issues from transport to low pay is an astonishing piece of calculated deceit. What's playing a bigger role in the highest train fares in Europe, some Syrian asylum seekers or the fact that private railway firms' shareholders are walking away with the hundreds of billions of profits they make instead of reinvesting it? Is it the extra 30 000 extra migrants' fault that we are the most unequal and least socially mobile country in Europe, or is it perhaps due to governments like ours who have overseen an economy where the majority of people in poverty are actually in work? I look forward to the Tory split on the EU referendum that hopefully spells the beginning of the end for Osbourne and co. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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I can't help but see this as an opportunistic response to the new rhetoric of the opposition. By once more pushing immigration to the front of political debate, Cameron is able to disregard the fact that we are seeing the largest fall in living standards in a century, a further cut in income for the poorest in society via cuts to tax credits, house prices at an all-time high while house building is at a 50 year low.

For Teresa May to have the cheek to come out and blame migration on issues from transport to low pay is an astonishing piece of calculated deceit. What's playing a bigger role in the highest train fares in Europe, some Syrian asylum seekers or the fact that private railway firms' shareholders are walking away with the hundreds of billions of profits they make instead of reinvesting it? Is it the extra 30 000 extra migrants' fault that we are the most unequal and least socially mobile country in Europe, or is it perhaps due to governments like ours who have overseen an economy where the majority of people in poverty are actually in work?

I look forward to the Tory split on the EU referendum that hopefully spells the beginning of the end for Osbourne and co.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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leggedstruggle Croydon 06 Oct 15 9.11am
Quote serial thriller at 06 Oct 2015 9.05am I can't help but see this as an opportunistic response to the new rhetoric of the opposition. By once more pushing immigration to the front of political debate, Cameron is able to disregard the fact that we are seeing the largest fall in living standards in a century, a further cut in income for the poorest in society via cuts to tax credits, house prices at an all-time high while house building is at a 50 year low. For Teresa May to have the cheek to come out and blame migration on issues from transport to low pay is an astonishing piece of calculated deceit. What's playing a bigger role in the highest train fares in Europe, some Syrian asylum seekers or the fact that private railway firms' shareholders are walking away with the hundreds of billions of profits they make instead of reinvesting it? Is it the extra 30 000 extra migrants' fault that we are the most unequal and least socially mobile country in Europe, or is it perhaps due to governments like ours who have overseen an economy where the majority of people in poverty are actually in work? I look forward to the Tory split on the EU referendum that hopefully spells the beginning of the end for Osbourne and co. Unlimited immigration has been a leading factor in low wages and the housing crisis. All parties will be split on the EU (except the half a dozen members of the Lib Dems.) Edited by leggedstruggle (06 Oct 2015 9.15am) mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Quote serial thriller at 06 Oct 2015 9.05am

I can't help but see this as an opportunistic response to the new rhetoric of the opposition. By once more pushing immigration to the front of political debate, Cameron is able to disregard the fact that we are seeing the largest fall in living standards in a century, a further cut in income for the poorest in society via cuts to tax credits, house prices at an all-time high while house building is at a 50 year low.

I look forward to the Tory split on the EU referendum that hopefully spells the beginning of the end for Osbourne and co.

Unlimited immigration has been a leading factor in low wages and the housing crisis. All parties will be split on the EU (except the half a dozen members of the Lib Dems.)

Edited by leggedstruggle (06 Oct 2015 9.15am)

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sydtheeagle England 06 Oct 15 10.08am
I would suggest that people's response to immigration rather than the fact of immigration is what determines the nature of society. Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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I would suggest that people's response to immigration rather than the fact of immigration is what determines the nature of society.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 06 Oct 15 10.11am
The Tories are partly taking this line to elicit a tearful response from Corbyn of "immigration is an unmitigated benefit and we should encourage more of it". Double winner for the Tories - panders to the overwhelming anti-immigration feeling in the country and makes Labour take untenable positions. Of course neither the Tories or Labour will do bugger all about the actual problem though. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 06 Oct 15 10.11am

The Tories are partly taking this line to elicit a tearful response from Corbyn of "immigration is an unmitigated benefit and we should encourage more of it". Double winner for the Tories - panders to the overwhelming anti-immigration feeling in the country and makes Labour take untenable positions. Of course neither the Tories or Labour will do bugger all about the actual problem though.

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sydtheeagle England 06 Oct 15 10.27am
Multi-culturalism is not divisive. That has been as often proven as the counter argument. People's response to it (which differs from country to country) is what is divisive. There may be compelling reasons why multi-culturalism works less well in some places than it does in others (over-population, shortage of jobs, etc.) but to simply say that multi-culturalism is divisive is both wrong and untrue. When you have national leaders who fan the flames by articulating ignorant positions and making ill-considered statements, it only makes the inherent prejudice of the assertion a). worse, and b). simultaneously, more believable in the eyes of those who don't think for themselves. Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.
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Multi-culturalism is not divisive. That has been as often proven as the counter argument. People's response to it (which differs from country to country) is what is divisive. There may be compelling reasons why multi-culturalism works less well in some places than it does in others (over-population, shortage of jobs, etc.) but to simply say that multi-culturalism is divisive is both wrong and untrue. When you have national leaders who fan the flames by articulating ignorant positions and making ill-considered statements, it only makes the inherent prejudice of the assertion a). worse, and b). simultaneously, more believable in the eyes of those who don't think for themselves.

Sydenham by birth. Selhurst by the Grace of God.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 06 Oct 15 11.07am
Quote sydtheeagle at 06 Oct 2015 10.08am I would suggest that people's response to immigration rather than the fact of immigration is what determines the nature of society. So our society would have mosques and Islamic extremism here even if there had been no immigration? mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 06 Oct 15 11.07am

Quote sydtheeagle at 06 Oct 2015 10.08am

I would suggest that people's response to immigration rather than the fact of immigration is what determines the nature of society.

So our society would have mosques and Islamic extremism here even if there had been no immigration?

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 06 Oct 15 11.08am
Quote serial thriller at 06 Oct 2015 9.05am I can't help but see this as an opportunistic response to the new rhetoric of the opposition. By once more pushing immigration to the front of political debate, Cameron is able to disregard the fact that we are seeing the largest fall in living standards in a century, a further cut in income for the poorest in society via cuts to tax credits, house prices at an all-time high while house building is at a 50 year low. For Teresa May to have the cheek to come out and blame migration on issues from transport to low pay is an astonishing piece of calculated deceit. What's playing a bigger role in the highest train fares in Europe, some Syrian asylum seekers or the fact that private railway firms' shareholders are walking away with the hundreds of billions of profits they make instead of reinvesting it? Is it the extra 30 000 extra migrants' fault that we are the most unequal and least socially mobile country in Europe, or is it perhaps due to governments like ours who have overseen an economy where the majority of people in poverty are actually in work? I look forward to the Tory split on the EU referendum that hopefully spells the beginning of the end for Osbourne and co. Do you honestly believe that? Honestly? It's worse now than at any time since 1915 to include between the 1st and 2nd world wars, during the 2nd WW, the period after the 2nd WW, the 3 day week of the 70s and so on? Really? Or do you mean since the start of this century? In which case you'd still be wrong. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Quote serial thriller at 06 Oct 2015 9.05am

I can't help but see this as an opportunistic response to the new rhetoric of the opposition. By once more pushing immigration to the front of political debate, Cameron is able to disregard the fact that we are seeing the largest fall in living standards in a century, a further cut in income for the poorest in society via cuts to tax credits, house prices at an all-time high while house building is at a 50 year low.

I look forward to the Tory split on the EU referendum that hopefully spells the beginning of the end for Osbourne and co.

Do you honestly believe that? Honestly? It's worse now than at any time since 1915 to include between the 1st and 2nd world wars, during the 2nd WW, the period after the 2nd WW, the 3 day week of the 70s and so on? Really?

Or do you mean since the start of this century? In which case you'd still be wrong.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Oct 15 11.57am
Trickle immigration is a good thing for the gene pool but the kind of numbers we have seen in the last 20 years have been insanely large. Shame on the decision makers for putting money before people. My personal theory on this is that the pill is largely responsible for this. A rapidly declining birth rate in the last century plus two world wars has caused politicians to panic and encourage large numbers of tax paying, cheap labour from abroad. The EU free movement laws have made everything worse. It's simple. We need to restrict immigration and encourage people to have more children. Unfortunately, it is probably to late to mend the cultural schisms that we have created. Only extreme measures can change that.
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Trickle immigration is a good thing for the gene pool but the kind of numbers we have seen in the last 20 years have been insanely large. Shame on the decision makers for putting money before people.
My personal theory on this is that the pill is largely responsible for this. A rapidly declining birth rate in the last century plus two world wars has caused politicians to panic and encourage large numbers of tax paying, cheap labour from abroad. The EU free movement laws have made everything worse.
It's simple. We need to restrict immigration and encourage people to have more children.
Unfortunately, it is probably to late to mend the cultural schisms that we have created. Only extreme measures can change that.

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OldFella London 06 Oct 15 12.04pm
Quote serial thriller at 06 Oct 2015 9.05am I can't help but see this as an opportunistic response to the new rhetoric of the opposition. By once more pushing immigration to the front of political debate, Cameron is able to disregard the fact that we are seeing the largest fall in living standards in a century, a further cut in income for the poorest in society via cuts to tax credits, house prices at an all-time high while house building is at a 50 year low. For Teresa May to have the cheek to come out and blame migration on issues from transport to low pay is an astonishing piece of calculated deceit. What's playing a bigger role in the highest train fares in Europe, some Syrian asylum seekers or the fact that private railway firms' shareholders are walking away with the hundreds of billions of profits they make instead of reinvesting it? Is it the extra 30 000 extra migrants' fault that we are the most unequal and least socially mobile country in Europe, or is it perhaps due to governments like ours who have overseen an economy where the majority of people in poverty are actually in work? I look forward to the Tory split on the EU referendum that hopefully spells the beginning of the end for Osbourne and co. Nurse! Nurse! Come and help this deluded soul Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..
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Quote serial thriller at 06 Oct 2015 9.05am

I can't help but see this as an opportunistic response to the new rhetoric of the opposition. By once more pushing immigration to the front of political debate, Cameron is able to disregard the fact that we are seeing the largest fall in living standards in a century, a further cut in income for the poorest in society via cuts to tax credits, house prices at an all-time high while house building is at a 50 year low.

For Teresa May to have the cheek to come out and blame migration on issues from transport to low pay is an astonishing piece of calculated deceit. What's playing a bigger role in the highest train fares in Europe, some Syrian asylum seekers or the fact that private railway firms' shareholders are walking away with the hundreds of billions of profits they make instead of reinvesting it? Is it the extra 30 000 extra migrants' fault that we are the most unequal and least socially mobile country in Europe, or is it perhaps due to governments like ours who have overseen an economy where the majority of people in poverty are actually in work?

I look forward to the Tory split on the EU referendum that hopefully spells the beginning of the end for Osbourne and co.

Nurse! Nurse! Come and help this deluded soul

Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

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Hoof Hearted 06 Oct 15 12.04pm
Can anyone argue against the fact that uncontrolled immigration puts undue pressure on Housing, Schools, GP's, Hospitals and Travel networks? Forget the economy... one expert says it's good for competition and start ups, another says it's bad cause it drives down wages and prevents indigenous workers getting jobs.
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Hoof Hearted 06 Oct 15 12.04pm

Can anyone argue against the fact that uncontrolled immigration puts undue pressure on Housing, Schools, GP's, Hospitals and Travel networks?

Forget the economy... one expert says it's good for competition and start ups, another says it's bad cause it drives down wages and prevents indigenous workers getting jobs.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Oct 15 12.05pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 06 Oct 2015 11.07am Quote sydtheeagle at 06 Oct 2015 10.08am I would suggest that people's response to immigration rather than the fact of immigration is what determines the nature of society. So our society would have mosques and Islamic extremism here even if there had been no immigration? Whilst I do think mass immigration, especially temporary economic migration, is detrimental to the UK as a whole, its important to distinguish that mass immigration's impact on society and the impact of immigration are two entirely different scenarios. Its worth noting that migration to the UK of people with Islamic faith has been going on since the 60s at least, and the UK only has had a problem with Islamic terrorism since 2001, and notably as a real threat since 2003. Prior to 2001 the UK had no notable incidences of Islamic terrorism. Its almost as if there might be other factors involved, rather than just migration and a myopic view of Islam. Not sure how it suddenly turns from migration to Islam. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote leggedstruggle at 06 Oct 2015 11.07am

Quote sydtheeagle at 06 Oct 2015 10.08am

I would suggest that people's response to immigration rather than the fact of immigration is what determines the nature of society.

So our society would have mosques and Islamic extremism here even if there had been no immigration?

Whilst I do think mass immigration, especially temporary economic migration, is detrimental to the UK as a whole, its important to distinguish that mass immigration's impact on society and the impact of immigration are two entirely different scenarios.

Its worth noting that migration to the UK of people with Islamic faith has been going on since the 60s at least, and the UK only has had a problem with Islamic terrorism since 2001, and notably as a real threat since 2003.

Prior to 2001 the UK had no notable incidences of Islamic terrorism. Its almost as if there might be other factors involved, rather than just migration and a myopic view of Islam.

Not sure how it suddenly turns from migration to Islam.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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