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derben  12 Jun 15 8.11am |
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"Better to kill an innocent by mistake than spare an enemy by mistake." (Comrade Pol Pot)
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 DanH SW2 12 Jun 15 9.28am |
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Yes, well done. Use a human tragedy for petty political point scoring on a football message board. Congratulations, you've won Friday.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 15 9.49am |
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Quote derben at 12 Jun 2015 8.11am
"Better to kill an innocent by mistake than spare an enemy by mistake." (Comrade Pol Pot) And which country acted to liberate Cambodia from Pol Pot? Wasn't it the US that ensured that a representative of the Khmer Rouge sat on the UN for Cambodia until 1993. The US in the 80s also pressured Thailand into providing safe haven for Khmer Rouge guerillas as a 'national liberation' movement. Finally the CIA was equipping the KPNLF and ANS, allies of the Khmer Rouge, knowing full well that they were in turn selling those arms onto the Khmer Rouge guerillas.
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| legaleagle 12 Jun 15 10.00am |
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and in the early 1980's Margaret Thatcher's government (extreme left wingers in the OP's political spectrum?) sent an SAS team to help train Khmer Rouge guerillas.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 15 10.45am |
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Quote derben at 12 Jun 2015 8.11am
"Better to kill an innocent by mistake than spare an enemy by mistake." (Comrade Pol Pot)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 15 10.50am |
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Quote nickgusset at 12 Jun 2015 10.45am
Quote derben at 12 Jun 2015 8.11am
"Better to kill an innocent by mistake than spare an enemy by mistake." (Comrade Pol Pot)
It's tough kid, but its life.
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| Stirlingsays 12 Jun 15 11.37am |
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Socialism doesn't work......No pun intended. All systems are failures to a greater or lesser extent.....The profit motive of capitalism works but it has to be regulated to avoid its inherent excess and unfairness. Any system that insulates those with money from losing it isn't a meritocracy and that's what we have now. We are back to the complete 'rule by elites'.....Except now they are financial elites instead of aristocracy....Now they don't have the easy to mock accents. But they are ruling all the same. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jun 2015 12.04pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 15 11.48am |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Jun 2015 11.37am
Socialism doesn't work......No pun intended. All systems are failures to a greater or lesser extent.....The profit motive of capitalism works but it has to be regulated to avoid its inherent excess and unfairness. Any system that insulates those with money from losing it isn't a meritocracy and that's what we have now. We are back to the complete 'rule by elites'.....Except now their are financial instead of aristocracy....Now they don't have the easy to mock accents. But they are ruling all the same. One could argue that it does work, in that it provides the means by which those regulations and inhibitors of capitalism have come about, and the basis on which that fairness stems. By and large, capitalism has only really proceeded on the basis of compromises made with socialism (capitalism is very good at co-opting models of opposition and criticism into it). The problem with socialism tends to be it sees capitalist systems as redundant and devoid of value, which is untrue, capitalism has many benefits notably in the capacity to determine value of resources in relation. Of course its worth noting that in countries where socialism has occurred, it has done so because of the failure of capitalism in the first place. The failure of Russian capitalism to deal with the problems of Russia ultimately led to the Revolutions in Russia.
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| TheJudge 12 Jun 15 11.57am |
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Seriously guys. Sometimes I wonder if scoring points against the "other side" is more important than your principles. This sort of Internet "sport" is the new Battleships I suppose.
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| Hoof Hearted 12 Jun 15 12.00pm | |
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I'm having a Pol Pot Noodle for lunch....
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| Stirlingsays 12 Jun 15 12.09pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Jun 2015 11.48am
Quote Stirlingsays at 12 Jun 2015 11.37am
Socialism doesn't work......No pun intended. All systems are failures to a greater or lesser extent.....The profit motive of capitalism works but it has to be regulated to avoid its inherent excess and unfairness. Any system that insulates those with money from losing it isn't a meritocracy and that's what we have now. We are back to the complete 'rule by elites'.....Except now their are financial instead of aristocracy....Now they don't have the easy to mock accents. But they are ruling all the same. One could argue that it does work, in that it provides the means by which those regulations and inhibitors of capitalism have come about, and the basis on which that fairness stems. By and large, capitalism has only really proceeded on the basis of compromises made with socialism (capitalism is very good at co-opting models of opposition and criticism into it). The problem with socialism tends to be it sees capitalist systems as redundant and devoid of value, which is untrue, capitalism has many benefits notably in the capacity to determine value of resources in relation. Of course its worth noting that in countries where socialism has occurred, it has done so because of the failure of capitalism in the first place. The failure of Russian capitalism to deal with the problems of Russia ultimately led to the Revolutions in Russia.
Socialism may not work well as a fully implemented system but it definitely has an important role is modifying capitalism so that in fact we have a combination of the two. Kind of Red Toryism
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| derben 12 Jun 15 12.32pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Jun 2015 9.49am
Quote derben at 12 Jun 2015 8.11am
"Better to kill an innocent by mistake than spare an enemy by mistake." (Comrade Pol Pot) And which country acted to liberate Cambodia from Pol Pot? Wasn't it the US that ensured that a representative of the Khmer Rouge sat on the UN for Cambodia until 1993. The US in the 80s also pressured Thailand into providing safe haven for Khmer Rouge guerillas as a 'national liberation' movement. Finally the CIA was equipping the KPNLF and ANS, allies of the Khmer Rouge, knowing full well that they were in turn selling those arms onto the Khmer Rouge guerillas. Thought it would all be the wicked USA's fault, yet again.
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