This is part of a post I submitted on another thread in response to a poster who quoted the record of Robert Kraft. I warn anyone who would accuse me of anti-Semitism; I am Jewish, my father was born in Nuremberg in 1928 and my cousin, Karl Lehrburger was one of the first murdered in Dachau in May of 1933. He was Jewish, an active opponent of the Nazis and gay. I am also material to the espionage case of Jonathon Pollard, who attempted to relay communications codes to Israel. The term "communications codes" is a euphemism. He claimed I owed loyalty not only to the US but also to Israel because of my religion. He is presently incarcerated in a maximum security Federal Home for the Very Naughty.

Given that I'm Jewish and the son of a Holocaust survivor I'm forced to agree with truggy. Zionism should not be confused with Judaism, which is a faith in God. Zionism has become all about ownership of a particular patch of real estate and turning God into the ultimate broker/agent. Originally, as proposed by Theodor Herzl, Zionism was supposed to be establishing a safe haven for Jews in Palestine so that could escape from European anti-Semitism. Herzl's speech was given at the same time the Dreyfuss Affair was roiling in France. It has since become a nationalist cause under the leadership of people like Netanyahu. Herzl wanted a democratic nation where no religion was established and all could live peacefully. Due to the Holocaust, ben-Gurion and Weizmann decided that Israel should have Judaism as the established faith. This was a mistake but, in my view given the times (1948 ), an understandable one. Now Netanyahu, in violation of UN Res 242, demands that Israel be recognized as the Jewish State with the right to speak for Jews world wide. Let me make this as clear as I can. I am an American. No foreign power speaks for me. Netanyahu and Israel are foreign powers in relation to me. I do not and cannot support policies which steal land from those who are peacefully living on it, meaning the settlements. Unless and until Israel recognizes the rights of all who live within its borders I, as an American, a Jew, the son of a Holocaust survivor and the cousin of one of the first murdered at Dachau, cannot support its present policies. Rant over.

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Very interesting kenbarr, thanks for sharing that.

Edited by Seth (09 Jun 2015 2.41am)

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Well said kenbarr!

Totally with you.

Cynic or realist? It's a fine line!

Crikey. You've mellowed somewhat. There was a time when if someone walked past a Jaffa orange without purchasing it you'd accuse them of being Marxist-Leninists intent on the destruction of Israel.

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I'm confused. Islam and Muslim/Moslem mean the same thing. I'm hoping you mean "Islamist," which has come to mean the violent fundamentalism practiced by IS and al Qaeda among others. I maintain there are so-called fundamentalists who attach themselves to any religious faith. Actually, they really don't practice the faith but their own personal agenda of violence and hate.

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Gee, I hope not. Jaffa Cakes are my all time favorites. I can't eat them anymore for two reasons, they don't have them in the US except for the UK area at Epcot and I'm a diabetic.

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