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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 29 Apr 15 9.59pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Couldn't see a thread on this subject. I'm kind of surprised that this hasn't raised too many eye brows. I'm convinced if this had been done in The USA all the liberals & Lefties would have been out in force condemning it in the strongest possible way.


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gerry theagle Flag newbury 29 Apr 15 10.22pm Send a Private Message to gerry theagle Add gerry theagle as a friend

No Brits involved so I guess not a lot of interest, but we do have a woman on a death row in Indonesia so things may change.Sad but these people do know the stakes.

 

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legaleagle Flag 29 Apr 15 10.36pm

Quote Jimenez at 29 Apr 2015 9.59pm

Couldn't see a thread on this subject. I'm kind of surprised that this hasn't raised too many eye brows. I'm convinced if this had been done in The USA all the liberals & Lefties would have been out in force condemning it in the strongest possible way.


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Do you personally think the death sentence is appropriate for drug offences,Jimenez? Bear in mind,if a miscarriage of justice (and they do happen) comes out later,its too late for the accused.In the case of one of those scheduled to be killed,a new witness came forward at the 11th hour and their execution has been suspended.Day or two later and it would have been irrelevant...

Or is someone automatically to be dismissed as a "liberal" or a "leftie" for simply raising the point?

Edited by legaleagle (29 Apr 2015 10.38pm)

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 29 Apr 15 10.45pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Quote legaleagle at 29 Apr 2015 10.36pm

Quote Jimenez at 29 Apr 2015 9.59pm

Couldn't see a thread on this subject. I'm kind of surprised that this hasn't raised too many eye brows. I'm convinced if this had been done in The USA all the liberals & Lefties would have been out in force condemning it in the strongest possible way.


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Do you personally think the death sentence is appropriate for drug offences,Jimenez? Bear in mind,if a miscarriage of justice (and they do happen) comes out later,its too late for the accused.In the case of one of those scheduled to be killed,a new witness came forward at the 11th hour and their execution has been suspended.Day or two later and it would have been irrelevant...

Or is someone automatically to be dismissed as a "liberal" or a "leftie" for simply raising the point?

Edited by legaleagle (29 Apr 2015 10.38pm)


As it happens yes. Anyone caught trafficking drugs in countries where they know there is a chance they are going to get sentenced to death have little sympathy from me, but I digress Legal. My main point was that there has been little news or condemnation from the usual suspects (scuse pun)because this has been carried out in the Far East. The same can be said for executions in North Korea, Saudi Arabia Et al

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 15 10.53pm

Quote Jimenez at 29 Apr 2015 10.45pm

Quote legaleagle at 29 Apr 2015 10.36pm

Quote Jimenez at 29 Apr 2015 9.59pm

Couldn't see a thread on this subject. I'm kind of surprised that this hasn't raised too many eye brows. I'm convinced if this had been done in The USA all the liberals & Lefties would have been out in force condemning it in the strongest possible way.


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Do you personally think the death sentence is appropriate for drug offences,Jimenez? Bear in mind,if a miscarriage of justice (and they do happen) comes out later,its too late for the accused.In the case of one of those scheduled to be killed,a new witness came forward at the 11th hour and their execution has been suspended.Day or two later and it would have been irrelevant...

Or is someone automatically to be dismissed as a "liberal" or a "leftie" for simply raising the point?

Edited by legaleagle (29 Apr 2015 10.38pm)


As it happens yes. Anyone caught trafficking drugs in countries where they know there is a chance they are going to get sentenced to death have little sympathy from me, but I digress Legal. My main point was that there has been little news or condemnation from the usual suspects (scuse pun)because this has been carried out in the Far East. The same can be said for executions in North Korea, Saudi Arabia Et al

The subject of Saudi Arabia has been broached on many occasions.

 

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Eagle_SA Flag Just outside Cape Town 29 Apr 15 11.26pm Send a Private Message to Eagle_SA Add Eagle_SA as a friend

Whilst I'm oppossed to the death penalty I think we should be far more concerned about the hundreds of thousands of people addicted to heroin & cocaine rather than worrying about how their dealers are being dealt with.

 


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Pawson Palace Flag Croydon 30 Apr 15 8.30am Send a Private Message to Pawson Palace Add Pawson Palace as a friend

f*** them. They knew the risks and they accepted them when tried it. You can't play the game knowing the rules and then cry because you lost.

The dear old "grandma" tried taking 1.6kg of heroin that's not exactly personal use is it?

Just because she has a British passport does not exonerate her from what she did. They should handle her as they see fit on the grounds she had a fair trial.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Apr 15 10.08am

Quote Pawson Palace at 30 Apr 2015 8.30am

f*** them. They knew the risks and they accepted them when tried it. You can't play the game knowing the rules and then cry because you lost.

The dear old "grandma" tried taking 1.6kg of heroin that's not exactly personal use is it?

Just because she has a British passport does not exonerate her from what she did. They should handle her as they see fit on the grounds she had a fair trial.

Where in lies the problem, they don't. At least one of the people sentenced to die has had a last minute reprieve on the basis of evidence corroborating the fact she wasn't aware she was carrying the heroin. Another of the individuals executed suffers from schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

Generally, when you see countries that have 'very strict' drug laws, those laws generally serve to 'protect' the business from outside competition (In Thailand, the military is effectively at war in the northern region to protect its 'dominance' over the drug trade). Typically those 'punished' are really offered up to show the governments take it seriously.

However for all the crackdowns in the world, the tide of heroin from these countries has never diminished nor the profits which effectively continue to flow into the hands of those in positions of power and authority.


 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Apr 15 10.10am

Quote Eagle_SA at 29 Apr 2015 11.26pm

Whilst I'm oppossed to the death penalty I think we should be far more concerned about the hundreds of thousands of people addicted to heroin & cocaine rather than worrying about how their dealers are being dealt with.

If we really worried about that, we'd sell them heroin and cocaine via the NHS, which pays about 1/35th of the street price addicts do.

No matter how many dealers you target or take out, addicts find drugs, and drug dealers find sources of drugs.


 


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Hoof Hearted 30 Apr 15 10.34am

Quote Pawson Palace at 30 Apr 2015 8.30am

f*** them. They knew the risks and they accepted them when tried it. You can't play the game knowing the rules and then cry because you lost.

The dear old "grandma" tried taking 1.6kg of heroin that's not exactly personal use is it?

Just because she has a British passport does not exonerate her from what she did. They should handle her as they see fit on the grounds she had a fair trial.


Exactly.

People that deal in drugs have no welfare concerns for those addicted to their poison.... why should we be concerned that they have died?

Hopefully it will be a deterrent to others although I somehow doubt it.

More scum off our streets.

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 30 Apr 15 10.41am Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

1. I oppose the death penalty, but it exists for drug offences in some countries

2. I believe justice in some of those countries is not fairly administered

3. They knew both 1&2 and decided to give it a go anyway - therefore the net result is "unlucky"

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Apr 15 10.57am

Quote npn at 30 Apr 2015 10.41am

1. I oppose the death penalty, but it exists for drug offences in some countries

2. I believe justice in some of those countries is not fairly administered

3. They knew both 1&2 and decided to give it a go anyway - therefore the net result is "unlucky"

Problem with these countries, guilt is often determined by the same people being paid off by the primary drug traffickers. Their 'hardline' really is about protecting the monopoly of the trade, rather than any kind of justice, and frequently their trials involve questionable evidence, forced confessions and limited 'view of what constitutes' guilt. Trials can often be a farce of justice as well, along with the appeals process, and then the whole thing is generally utilized to serve political ambitions.

Reasonable doubt, for example, is rarely a consideration.

And of course usually they're the middle men, between the exporters and the importers. Often 'given up' to make it look like the country is 'doing its bit' - ie expendable costs of doing business. A variation on the Colombian 'Sacrifical Mule' (where in you send two mules on the same flight, and sacrifice one so as to reduce the risk to the primary mule).


 


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