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Johnny Byrne Pinner 25 Mar 14 5.10pm
Have to say not impressed with central defence at Chelsea. Get some width in and two forwards attacking with pace and directness with just Jedi as DM and an AM (Bannan or Guediora) will give us more of a chance of creating goal scoring opportunities. For me, Thomas and Bolasie out wide with Puncheon as impact sub. Puncheon drives me nuts, as he ALWAYS turns inside, apart from his cross for Jerome's goal before Xmas. Also, bit short on pace for me. Chelsea react badly to being put under pressure so why not. Everyone expects a Chelsea win, and we are LONG OVERDUE a win against a top 8 side, so why not this Saturday. Selhurst will be loud and we need to really help the lads out. 1 June 2010 - saved from oblivion by CPFC 2010 27 May 2013 - promoted to Premier League 2013-14 - 11th in PL 2014-15 - 10th in PL 2015-16 - 15th in PL 2016-17 - 14th in PL (and grateful for that!)
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Pinner 25 Mar 14 5.10pm

For me, Thomas and Bolasie out wide with Puncheon as impact sub. Puncheon drives me nuts, as he ALWAYS turns inside, apart from his cross for Jerome's goal before Xmas. Also, bit short on pace for me.

Chelsea react badly to being put under pressure so why not. Everyone expects a Chelsea win, and we are LONG OVERDUE a win against a top 8 side, so why not this Saturday.

Selhurst will be loud and we need to really help the lads out.

1 June 2010 - saved from oblivion by CPFC 2010
27 May 2013 - promoted to Premier League
2013-14 - 11th in PL
2014-15 - 10th in PL
2015-16 - 15th in PL
2016-17 - 14th in PL (and grateful for that!)

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paperhat croydon 25 Mar 14 5.25pm
10-0-0 is a more likely formation to be honest Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan
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10-0-0 is a more likely formation to be honest

Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan

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Eagletistical Hereford 25 Mar 14 5.33pm
Agreed. We need to at least have a go at them because we're running out of games fast and playing for 0-0 draws every week won't keep us in the league. The lack of goals from open play is worrying and playing Jerome or Murray on their own in a defensive 4-5-1 won't help.
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Hereford 25 Mar 14 5.33pm

Agreed. We need to at least have a go at them because we're running out of games fast and playing for 0-0 draws every week won't keep us in the league.

The lack of goals from open play is worrying and playing Jerome or Murray on their own in a defensive 4-5-1 won't help.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Mar 14 5.36pm
It would be suicide, we'd be completely overrun in midfield.
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It would be suicide, we'd be completely overrun in midfield.

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Eagletistical Hereford 25 Mar 14 5.52pm
That's not the point. Playing 4-5-1 and packing the middle of the park with 3 defensive midfielders will only lead to about 20% possession, no shots on target and an inevitable close defeat to nil. We need to start playing with 2 up top for home games or the front man becomes isolated and the ball comes straight back. If we're going to go down then we at least need to start attempting to do more than play for a goal less draw every week and actually attempt to win a game. Villa went at Chelsea and got the result they needed so why can't we?
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Hereford 25 Mar 14 5.52pm

That's not the point. Playing 4-5-1 and packing the middle of the park with 3 defensive midfielders will only lead to about 20% possession, no shots on target and an inevitable close defeat to nil.

We need to start playing with 2 up top for home games or the front man becomes isolated and the ball comes straight back. If we're going to go down then we at least need to start attempting to do more than play for a goal less draw every week and actually attempt to win a game. Villa went at Chelsea and got the result they needed so why can't we?

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Mar 14 5.59pm
Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 5.52pm That's not the point. Playing 4-5-1 and packing the middle of the park with 3 defensive midfielders will only lead to about 20% possession, no shots on target and an inevitable close defeat to nil. We need to start playing with 2 up top for home games or the front man becomes isolated and the ball comes straight back. If we're going to go down then we at least need to start attempting to do more than play for a goal less draw every week and actually attempt to win a game. Villa went at Chelsea and got the result they needed so why can't we? Well it is the point. To go 4 v 5 in the middle of the park, given the gulf in class between the players, would literally be suicide, we'd be chasing shadows for 90 minutes. We can become more adventurous without going 4-4-2, it's a completely outdated system and is constantly punished at the top level.
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Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 5.52pm

That's not the point. Playing 4-5-1 and packing the middle of the park with 3 defensive midfielders will only lead to about 20% possession, no shots on target and an inevitable close defeat to nil.

Well it is the point. To go 4 v 5 in the middle of the park, given the gulf in class between the players, would literally be suicide, we'd be chasing shadows for 90 minutes.

We can become more adventurous without going 4-4-2, it's a completely outdated system and is constantly punished at the top level.

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Gary St.Andrews Kenley 25 Mar 14 6.28pm
Hopefully we will use the same tactics that Villa used recently,with a big dollop of luck thrown in. Perhaps Chelsea used up their goal quota against Arsenal last weekend and we hit the back of the net a couple of times to seal victory. Then again i might be just clutching at straws....
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Hopefully we will use the same tactics that Villa used recently,with a big dollop of luck thrown in.

Perhaps Chelsea used up their goal quota against Arsenal last weekend and we hit the back of the net a couple of times to seal victory.

Then again i might be just clutching at straws....

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Dangermouse Hastings 25 Mar 14 6.33pm
TP went all out defence for the last five games against the likes of Swansea, Sunderland and Southampton, how can you possibly believe that will change against a team going for the title? Two banks of five and a lot of prayers, I feel. That's Life And as funny as it may seem Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream. KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!
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Hastings 25 Mar 14 6.33pm

TP went all out defence for the last five games against the likes of Swansea, Sunderland and Southampton, how can you possibly believe that will change against a team going for the title?
Two banks of five and a lot of prayers, I feel.

That's Life
And as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks stompin' on a Dream.
KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!

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Eagletistical Hereford 25 Mar 14 6.41pm
Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 25 Mar 2014 5.59pm Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 5.52pm That's not the point. Playing 4-5-1 and packing the middle of the park with 3 defensive midfielders will only lead to about 20% possession, no shots on target and an inevitable close defeat to nil. We need to start playing with 2 up top for home games or the front man becomes isolated and the ball comes straight back. If we're going to go down then we at least need to start attempting to do more than play for a goal less draw every week and actually attempt to win a game. Villa went at Chelsea and got the result they needed so why can't we? Well it is the point. To go 4 v 5 in the middle of the park, given the gulf in class between the players, would literally be suicide, we'd be chasing shadows for 90 minutes. We can become more adventurous without going 4-4-2, it's a completely outdated system and is constantly punished at the top level. I'm not necessarily saying 4-4-2 but at least 4-4-1-1 because the ball doesn't stick when it goes forward. What is the point in playing Jedi, KG and Ledley together in a line about 10 yards in front of our own box? We have seen one solitary penalty and hardly any shots that have troubled any keeper in the last 5 games. No goals from open play in the last 471 minutes (longer if you count the previous goal which was Chamakh's pen) of football suggests that it's the defensive 4-5-1 that is outdated and will be our downfall
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Hereford 25 Mar 14 6.41pm

Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 25 Mar 2014 5.59pm

Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 5.52pm

That's not the point. Playing 4-5-1 and packing the middle of the park with 3 defensive midfielders will only lead to about 20% possession, no shots on target and an inevitable close defeat to nil.

Well it is the point. To go 4 v 5 in the middle of the park, given the gulf in class between the players, would literally be suicide, we'd be chasing shadows for 90 minutes.

We can become more adventurous without going 4-4-2, it's a completely outdated system and is constantly punished at the top level.

I'm not necessarily saying 4-4-2 but at least 4-4-1-1 because the ball doesn't stick when it goes forward. What is the point in playing Jedi, KG and Ledley together in a line about 10 yards in front of our own box? We have seen one solitary penalty and hardly any shots that have troubled any keeper in the last 5 games. No goals from open play in the last 471 minutes (longer if you count the previous goal which was Chamakh's pen) of football suggests that it's the defensive 4-5-1 that is outdated and will be our downfall

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Mar 14 6.47pm
Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 6.41pm Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 25 Mar 2014 5.59pm Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 5.52pm That's not the point. Playing 4-5-1 and packing the middle of the park with 3 defensive midfielders will only lead to about 20% possession, no shots on target and an inevitable close defeat to nil. We need to start playing with 2 up top for home games or the front man becomes isolated and the ball comes straight back. If we're going to go down then we at least need to start attempting to do more than play for a goal less draw every week and actually attempt to win a game. Villa went at Chelsea and got the result they needed so why can't we? Well it is the point. To go 4 v 5 in the middle of the park, given the gulf in class between the players, would literally be suicide, we'd be chasing shadows for 90 minutes. We can become more adventurous without going 4-4-2, it's a completely outdated system and is constantly punished at the top level. I'm not necessarily saying 4-4-2 but at least 4-4-1-1 because the ball doesn't stick when it goes forward. What is the point in playing Jedi, KG and Ledley together in a line about 10 yards in front of our own box? We have seen one solitary penalty and hardly any shots that have troubled any keeper in the last 5 games. No goals from open play in the last 471 minutes (longer if you count the previous goal which was Chamakh's pen) of football suggests that it's the defensive 4-5-1 that is outdated and will be our downfall The thread is called "4-4-2 v Chelsea" and your first post on it began with "Agreed".
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SE19 25 Mar 14 6.47pm

Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 6.41pm

Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 25 Mar 2014 5.59pm

Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 5.52pm

That's not the point. Playing 4-5-1 and packing the middle of the park with 3 defensive midfielders will only lead to about 20% possession, no shots on target and an inevitable close defeat to nil.

Well it is the point. To go 4 v 5 in the middle of the park, given the gulf in class between the players, would literally be suicide, we'd be chasing shadows for 90 minutes.

We can become more adventurous without going 4-4-2, it's a completely outdated system and is constantly punished at the top level.

I'm not necessarily saying 4-4-2 but at least 4-4-1-1 because the ball doesn't stick when it goes forward. What is the point in playing Jedi, KG and Ledley together in a line about 10 yards in front of our own box? We have seen one solitary penalty and hardly any shots that have troubled any keeper in the last 5 games. No goals from open play in the last 471 minutes (longer if you count the previous goal which was Chamakh's pen) of football suggests that it's the defensive 4-5-1 that is outdated and will be our downfall

The thread is called "4-4-2 v Chelsea" and your first post on it began with "Agreed".

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Eagletistical Hereford 25 Mar 14 6.56pm
Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 25 Mar 2014 6.47pm Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 6.41pm Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 25 Mar 2014 5.59pm Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 5.52pm That's not the point. Playing 4-5-1 and packing the middle of the park with 3 defensive midfielders will only lead to about 20% possession, no shots on target and an inevitable close defeat to nil. We need to start playing with 2 up top for home games or the front man becomes isolated and the ball comes straight back. If we're going to go down then we at least need to start attempting to do more than play for a goal less draw every week and actually attempt to win a game. Villa went at Chelsea and got the result they needed so why can't we? Well it is the point. To go 4 v 5 in the middle of the park, given the gulf in class between the players, would literally be suicide, we'd be chasing shadows for 90 minutes. We can become more adventurous without going 4-4-2, it's a completely outdated system and is constantly punished at the top level. I'm not necessarily saying 4-4-2 but at least 4-4-1-1 because the ball doesn't stick when it goes forward. What is the point in playing Jedi, KG and Ledley together in a line about 10 yards in front of our own box? We have seen one solitary penalty and hardly any shots that have troubled any keeper in the last 5 games. No goals from open play in the last 471 minutes (longer if you count the previous goal which was Chamakh's pen) of football suggests that it's the defensive 4-5-1 that is outdated and will be our downfall The thread is called "4-4-2 v Chelsea" and your first post on it began with "Agreed". Have to say not impressed with central defence at Chelsea. Get some width in and two forwards attacking with pace and directness with just Jedi as DM and an AM (Bannan or Guediora) will give us more of a chance of creating goal scoring opportunities. For me, Thomas and Bolasie out wide with Puncheon as impact sub. Puncheon drives me nuts, as he ALWAYS turns inside, apart from his cross for Jerome's goal before Xmas. Also, bit short on pace for me. Chelsea react badly to being put under pressure so why not. Everyone expects a Chelsea win, and we are LONG OVERDUE a win against a top 8 side, so why not this Saturday. Selhurst will be loud and we need to really help the lads out. I was agreeing to this post in general not the topic, but obviously you insist on being pedantic. My thoughts echo what he says about being more adventurous not necessarily about a 442 Edited by Eagletistical (25 Mar 2014 6.58pm)
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Hereford 25 Mar 14 6.56pm

Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 25 Mar 2014 6.47pm

Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 6.41pm

Quote EverybodyDannsNow at 25 Mar 2014 5.59pm

Quote Eagletistical at 25 Mar 2014 5.52pm

That's not the point. Playing 4-5-1 and packing the middle of the park with 3 defensive midfielders will only lead to about 20% possession, no shots on target and an inevitable close defeat to nil.

We need to start playing with 2 up top for home games or the front man becomes isolated and the ball comes straight back. If we're going to go down then we at least need to start attempting to do more than play for a goal less draw every week and actually attempt to win a game. Villa went at Chelsea and got the result they needed so why can't we?

Well it is the point. To go 4 v 5 in the middle of the park, given the gulf in class between the players, would literally be suicide, we'd be chasing shadows for 90 minutes.

We can become more adventurous without going 4-4-2, it's a completely outdated system and is constantly punished at the top level.

I'm not necessarily saying 4-4-2 but at least 4-4-1-1 because the ball doesn't stick when it goes forward. What is the point in playing Jedi, KG and Ledley together in a line about 10 yards in front of our own box? We have seen one solitary penalty and hardly any shots that have troubled any keeper in the last 5 games. No goals from open play in the last 471 minutes (longer if you count the previous goal which was Chamakh's pen) of football suggests that it's the defensive 4-5-1 that is outdated and will be our downfall

The thread is called "4-4-2 v Chelsea" and your first post on it began with "Agreed".

Have to say not impressed with central defence at Chelsea. Get some width in and two forwards attacking with pace and directness with just Jedi as DM and an AM (Bannan or Guediora) will give us more of a chance of creating goal scoring opportunities.

For me, Thomas and Bolasie out wide with Puncheon as impact sub. Puncheon drives me nuts, as he ALWAYS turns inside, apart from his cross for Jerome's goal before Xmas. Also, bit short on pace for me.

Chelsea react badly to being put under pressure so why not. Everyone expects a Chelsea win, and we are LONG OVERDUE a win against a top 8 side, so why not this Saturday.

Selhurst will be loud and we need to really help the lads out.

I was agreeing to this post in general not the topic, but obviously you insist on being pedantic. My thoughts echo what he says about being more adventurous not necessarily about a 442

Edited by Eagletistical (25 Mar 2014 6.58pm)

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Leiceagle Great Glen Leicestershire 25 Mar 14 7.50pm
Whatever we do I want us to at least have a go, get stuck in, and not be timid in the manner that we have been against the likes of Arsenal and Moan Utd. The 4 2 nil defeats were weak and we need to get about chelscum from the start. Playing for a draw will only get us into trouble. Villa got amongst them the other week and Norwich were at Spurs' throats from the off a few weeks before. We've got to get stuck in!
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Great Glen Leicestershire 25 Mar 14 7.50pm

Whatever we do I want us to at least have a go, get stuck in, and not be timid in the manner that we have been against the likes of Arsenal and Moan Utd. The 4 2 nil defeats were weak and we need to get about chelscum from the start. Playing for a draw will only get us into trouble. Villa got amongst them the other week and Norwich were at Spurs' throats from the off a few weeks before. We've got to get stuck in!

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