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Palace_denizen Flag filed under " time wasters " 21 Mar 14 12.31pm

Before you all start clambering for my head on a spike at London Bridge, lets look at some recent history.
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this is our first time up in 8 years. Charlton and Millwall are a joke. Isn't it very peculiar how such a massive population can be so modestly represented at the top levels ? by contrast North London has two massive clubs, East and West London also have big stadia with big money and lots of silverware.

I am just hoping that we stay up, Charlton & millwall get relegated to League Two forever. We increase Selhurst Park to a 36,000 seater and stay in the Prem forever.

So why has South London performed so poorly compared to North, East and West London ? my theory, too many clubs ( similar to the Two Sheffield clubs cancelling each other out). What are your thoughts ?

 


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hastingseagle67 Flag 21 Mar 14 1.18pm Send a Private Message to hastingseagle67 Add hastingseagle67 as a friend

I'd have to argue that in West London, Fulham and QPR don't have particularly massive stadia and haven't won anything, even though money men have invested in them. Chelsea never really did much apart from the odd cup final appearance until their sugar daddy appeared. East London you can only consider West Ham and again apart from the odd cup final appearance haven't done much, and the advantage of a nice big shiny new stadium has just fallen in their laps. In north London, Spurs have probably pulled themselves up a few levels and won things simply because of their rivalry with Arsenal who are probably the only London club who can seriously be considered as a big club, and they are really from south London anyway.

 


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the_mcanuff_stuff Flag Caterham 21 Mar 14 1.21pm Send a Private Message to the_mcanuff_stuff Add the_mcanuff_stuff as a friend

Not really sure about that. There's us, Charlton, Millwall and you can possibly add AFC Wimbledon, now they're in the football league.

West London also has 4. Chelsea, Fulham, QPR and Brentford. East London 3 (West Ham, Leyton Orient, Dagenham and Redbridge. North London just the 2.

But even then, Clubs cachement areas overlap into other parts of London other than their strict North, west etc. area.

Arguably, the London clubs with the most recent success draw on fans from more affluent parts of London. Perhaps that's more to do with it.

South London has around 2.8m inhabitants and 3 league/prem clubs.

By contrast Liverpool has about 800k-900k people and 3 league clubs, including of course Liverpool and Everton. So I don't think having 3 (or 4) clubs over that population is the problem.

 

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c_block_shedevil Flag London 21 Mar 14 1.32pm Send a Private Message to c_block_shedevil Add c_block_shedevil as a friend

Quote the_mcanuff_stuff at 21 Mar 2014 1.21pm

Not really sure about that. There's us, Charlton, Millwall and you can possibly add AFC Wimbledon, now they're in the football league.

West London also has 4. Chelsea, Fulham, QPR and Brentford. East London 3 (West Ham, Leyton Orient, Dagenham and Redbridge. North London just the 2.

But even then, Clubs cachement areas overlap into other parts of London other than their strict North, west etc. area.

Arguably, the London clubs with the most recent success draw on fans from more affluent parts of London. Perhaps that's more to do with it.

South London has around 2.8m inhabitants and 3 league/prem clubs.

By contrast Liverpool has about 800k-900k people and 3 league clubs, including of course Liverpool and Everton. So I don't think having 3 (or 4) clubs over that population is the problem.


Re: the bit in bold.

Unfortunately at times it seems there are more Chelsea and Arsenal fans in south London that there are genuine fans of south London clubs!

 


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adrian b Flag Landrindod, Wales 21 Mar 14 1.38pm Send a Private Message to adrian b Add adrian b as a friend

Why point out the relatively successful teams in other parts of London and then, as if in protest, want Milwall and Charlton to enter a perpetual nowhere land? If Spurs went into free-fall would that make Arsenal a bigger club? Same with the Liverpool big clubs, practically on each others doorsteps. The close approximation of big companies in competition is an incentive to better performances very often. But this hasn't happened in Nottingham, Bristol or Sheffield, at least not often. So to bring up this subject is spurious. When I was born there were certain teams at the top, and, more or less they still are. It's all to do with history and therefore the assumption of people who support those clubs that those clubs are really meant to be the top boys. I think that is incentive enough for the owners of those clubs to invest in larger stadia and pay top dollar for both players and wages. Spurs pain out £26 million for Soldano, who is kind of average for a top player and West Ham, maybe by good luck, will finance to fill a 40,000 seater stadium. Orient could but, like smaller clubs, won't take that chance in the same place. Unfotunately Palace are probably in the same category as Orient. Even on here the hope is for a 36,000 seater at best. Hardly the talk of a bigger club. Your answer.

 

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goodersgold Flag Hastings 21 Mar 14 1.46pm

Quote c_block_shedevil at 21 Mar 2014 1.32pm

Quote the_mcanuff_stuff at 21 Mar 2014 1.21pm

Not really sure about that. There's us, Charlton, Millwall and you can possibly add AFC Wimbledon, now they're in the football league.

West London also has 4. Chelsea, Fulham, QPR and Brentford. East London 3 (West Ham, Leyton Orient, Dagenham and Redbridge. North London just the 2.

But even then, Clubs cachement areas overlap into other parts of London other than their strict North, west etc. area.

Arguably, the London clubs with the most recent success draw on fans from more affluent parts of London. Perhaps that's more to do with it.

South London has around 2.8m inhabitants and 3 league/prem clubs.

By contrast Liverpool has about 800k-900k people and 3 league clubs, including of course Liverpool and Everton. So I don't think having 3 (or 4) clubs over that population is the problem.


Re: the bit in bold.

Unfortunately at times it seems there are more Chelsea and Arsenal fans in south London that there are genuine fans of south London clubs!

That's the problem people nowadays hardly support their local teams and if growing up in London or the south will inevitably choose a bigger club than the South London massive .
It's all about glory and who has the richest foreign owner now

 


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c_block_shedevil Flag London 21 Mar 14 4.34pm Send a Private Message to c_block_shedevil Add c_block_shedevil as a friend

Quote goodersgold at 21 Mar 2014 1.46pm

Quote c_block_shedevil at 21 Mar 2014 1.32pm

Quote the_mcanuff_stuff at 21 Mar 2014 1.21pm

Not really sure about that. There's us, Charlton, Millwall and you can possibly add AFC Wimbledon, now they're in the football league.

West London also has 4. Chelsea, Fulham, QPR and Brentford. East London 3 (West Ham, Leyton Orient, Dagenham and Redbridge. North London just the 2.

But even then, Clubs cachement areas overlap into other parts of London other than their strict North, west etc. area.

Arguably, the London clubs with the most recent success draw on fans from more affluent parts of London. Perhaps that's more to do with it.

South London has around 2.8m inhabitants and 3 league/prem clubs.

By contrast Liverpool has about 800k-900k people and 3 league clubs, including of course Liverpool and Everton. So I don't think having 3 (or 4) clubs over that population is the problem.


Re: the bit in bold.

Unfortunately at times it seems there are more Chelsea and Arsenal fans in south London that there are genuine fans of south London clubs!

That's the problem people nowadays hardly support their local teams and if growing up in London or the south will inevitably choose a bigger club than the South London massive .
It's all about glory and who has the richest foreign owner now

That's such a huge shame and it's probably one of the reason that stops us from growing. Thankfully we are in the premier league at the moment - it's the only place where our fan base can grow.

Maybe one day another club can crack the top 3 London clubs. Who knows, it could be us if we do things the correct way.

 


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Firegut Flag Croydon 21 Mar 14 4.51pm Send a Private Message to Firegut Add Firegut as a friend

Would have thought South London houses 3million+, no? Anyway, London is all about north of the river in most things and that's where the money goes. It's trendier north of the river and South London's proximity to North London is possibly a bit of a drag in some ways because it means any people/groups looking to invest large sums of money will overlook clubs south of the river.

Tbf the only big London clubs are still Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, and West Ham. The rest are at our level or below.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 21 Mar 14 4.56pm

Whilst Palace are in the top tier, support may rise. However the vast majority of supporters of 'big' teams aren't actually supporters in the sense that they attend matches. The are armchair fans.
As long as football is such high profile on the tellybox, then people will gravitate to the top teams as they can see them week in week out on sky or staffietelly.

 

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adrian b Flag Landrindod, Wales 21 Mar 14 5.34pm Send a Private Message to adrian b Add adrian b as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 21 Mar 2014 4.56pm

Whilst Palace are in the top tier, support may rise. However the vast majority of supporters of 'big' teams aren't actually supporters in the sense that they attend matches. The are armchair fans.
As long as football is such high profile on the tellybox, then people will gravitate to the top teams as they can see them week in week out on sky or staffietelly.

Please believe me. Palace are now building a history and new supporters are coming on board. What is necessary is that the Palace directors go about building the stadium and buying top players and paying top wages. If they don't it probably means they do not believe in the club like we do. It's the same at Milwall and Charlton, so the original point is answered.

 

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rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 21 Mar 14 5.43pm Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

Quote adrian b at 21 Mar 2014 5.34pm

Quote nickgusset at 21 Mar 2014 4.56pm

Whilst Palace are in the top tier, support may rise. However the vast majority of supporters of 'big' teams aren't actually supporters in the sense that they attend matches. The are armchair fans.
As long as football is such high profile on the tellybox, then people will gravitate to the top teams as they can see them week in week out on sky or staffietelly.

Please believe me. Palace are now building a history and new supporters are coming on board. What is necessary is that the Palace directors go about building the stadium and buying top players and paying top wages. If they don't it probably means they do not believe in the club like we do. It's the same at Milwall and Charlton, so the original point is answered.


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blind eagle Flag Covington.Tennessee 21 Mar 14 7.59pm Send a Private Message to blind eagle Add blind eagle as a friend

We are the best and the greatest so lets hope somebody puts an additional 36,000 seats in Selhurst and we can really become the big time Charlies of south London football.

 

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