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Nevermind 20 Mar 14 7.13pm
There's not a great deal of coverage about the youth teams on any of the forums really, but FYP caught up with Gary Issott to chat about how things are going. Victory over Millwall ensured South London was firmly ours, and with three games to go the U21s are in with a shout of making the U21 play-offs. [Link]
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20 Mar 14 7.13pm

There's not a great deal of coverage about the youth teams on any of the forums really, but FYP caught up with Gary Issott to chat about how things are going. Victory over Millwall ensured South London was firmly ours, and with three games to go the U21s are in with a shout of making the U21 play-offs.

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blind eagle Covington.Tennessee 21 Mar 14 7.54pm
Quote Nevermind at 20 Mar 2014 7.13pm There's not a great deal of coverage about the youth teams on any of the forums really, but FYP caught up with Gary Issott to chat about how things are going. Victory over Millwall ensured South London was firmly ours, and with three games to go the U21s are in with a shout of making the U21 play-offs. [Link] Who are the future stars in our youth teams? Just like to know their names so that I can kick the appropriate arse if any of them get sold or sent out on loan.
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Covington.Tennessee 21 Mar 14 7.54pm

Quote Nevermind at 20 Mar 2014 7.13pm

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Who are the future stars in our youth teams? Just like to know their names so that I can kick the appropriate arse if any of them get sold or sent out on loan.

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Nevermind 22 Mar 14 6.41pm
Quote blind eagle at 21 Mar 2014 7.54pm Quote Nevermind at 20 Mar 2014 7.13pm There's not a great deal of coverage about the youth teams on any of the forums really, but FYP caught up with Gary Issott to chat about how things are going. Victory over Millwall ensured South London was firmly ours, and with three games to go the U21s are in with a shout of making the U21 play-offs. [Link] Who are the future stars in our youth teams? Just like to know their names so that I can kick the appropriate arse if any of them get sold or sent out on loan. Hard to say, KaiKai and Boateng are the two outstanding players in the U21s, but Jake Gray has been sensational since Christmas and I rate him very, very highly. Mandela Egbo is one to watch out for. Only 16, he's about to be promoted to the U21 side.
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22 Mar 14 6.41pm

Quote blind eagle at 21 Mar 2014 7.54pm

Quote Nevermind at 20 Mar 2014 7.13pm

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Who are the future stars in our youth teams? Just like to know their names so that I can kick the appropriate arse if any of them get sold or sent out on loan.

Hard to say, KaiKai and Boateng are the two outstanding players in the U21s, but Jake Gray has been sensational since Christmas and I rate him very, very highly.

Mandela Egbo is one to watch out for. Only 16, he's about to be promoted to the U21 side.

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maxipalace in a box 23 Mar 14 9.34am
Will any of them be given a chance? Zaha would not have been given a chance if we were a premier team. Need to blood these kids. Look at Strurridge as a prime example
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in a box 23 Mar 14 9.34am

Will any of them be given a chance?

Zaha would not have been given a chance if we were a premier team. Need to blood these kids.

Look at Strurridge as a prime example

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Plane Bromley 23 Mar 14 10.22am
Quote maxipalace at 23 Mar 2014 9.34am Will any of them be given a chance? Zaha would not have been given a chance if we were a premier team. Need to blood these kids. Look at Strurridge as a prime example A prime example of what?
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Plane

Bromley 23 Mar 14 10.22am

Quote maxipalace at 23 Mar 2014 9.34am

Will any of them be given a chance?

Zaha would not have been given a chance if we were a premier team. Need to blood these kids.

Look at Strurridge as a prime example

A prime example of what?

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Icepick Tony Chester 23 Mar 14 11.07am
If a player is good enough to add to the team, they will play. It really is as simple as that. For every Zaha/Moses there will be 20+ Lee Hills. Players who look amazing prospects but sadly just don't make the grade. There are very few Rooney/Sturridge's in the world, young players who don't look out of their depth from the moment they step foot on the pitch. KaiKai for example is held in great regard, he has hardly set the world alight at Crawley though and to say he will change us in the Premiership is just barking mad. "They got his own song 'He's just too good for you', it's quite unbelievable but when you see it and he's facing up someone - I actually feel sorry for them, 'Cos he actually is" - Ian Holloway
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Chester 23 Mar 14 11.07am

If a player is good enough to add to the team, they will play. It really is as simple as that.

For every Zaha/Moses there will be 20+ Lee Hills. Players who look amazing prospects but sadly just don't make the grade.

There are very few Rooney/Sturridge's in the world, young players who don't look out of their depth from the moment they step foot on the pitch.
KaiKai for example is held in great regard, he has hardly set the world alight at Crawley though and to say he will change us in the Premiership is just barking mad.

"They got his own song 'He's just too good for you', it's quite unbelievable but when you see it and he's facing up someone - I actually feel sorry for them, 'Cos he actually is" - Ian Holloway

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Nevermind 23 Mar 14 12.11pm
Quote Icepick Tony at 23 Mar 2014 11.07am If a player is good enough to add to the team, they will play. It really is as simple as that. For every Zaha/Moses there will be 20+ Lee Hills. Players who look amazing prospects but sadly just don't make the grade. There are very few Rooney/Sturridge's in the world, young players who don't look out of their depth from the moment they step foot on the pitch. KaiKai for example is held in great regard, he has hardly set the world alight at Crawley though and to say he will change us in the Premiership is just barking mad. Sadly it doesn't work like that. The only reason Zaha, Moses and Clyne were given their debuts is because we were short on players. There is no way on this planet that Zaha was ready for the championship when he came on against Cardiff(?) under Paul Hart but the experience he gained from playing let him hone his skills and improve dramatically. We need to give these youngsters a chance to get some experience. KaiKai is struggling at Crawley but has shown some ability; but it's also a totally different environment to the Premier League. I don't think anyone is saying he would be instrumental in our team but what's the harm in giving him 15 minutes against a team when we're losing 2-0 or 3-0? Instead we bring in players and play them out of position and the chance to get a youngster some game time and experience to improve them is gone. No player is ever ready for first team football. They become ready by playing. There's too much pressure on manager's to not play academy players, as it's a risk; but any manager worth their salt would take that risk if they wanted to help build a sustainable football club. ~ Re: Lee Hills; he has the talent, it's just that his knees were 10 years older than the rest of his body. Pointless comparison. Edited by Nevermind (23 Mar 2014 12.11pm)
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23 Mar 14 12.11pm

Quote Icepick Tony at 23 Mar 2014 11.07am

If a player is good enough to add to the team, they will play. It really is as simple as that.

For every Zaha/Moses there will be 20+ Lee Hills. Players who look amazing prospects but sadly just don't make the grade.

Sadly it doesn't work like that. The only reason Zaha, Moses and Clyne were given their debuts is because we were short on players. There is no way on this planet that Zaha was ready for the championship when he came on against Cardiff(?) under Paul Hart but the experience he gained from playing let him hone his skills and improve dramatically.

We need to give these youngsters a chance to get some experience. KaiKai is struggling at Crawley but has shown some ability; but it's also a totally different environment to the Premier League. I don't think anyone is saying he would be instrumental in our team but what's the harm in giving him 15 minutes against a team when we're losing 2-0 or 3-0? Instead we bring in players and play them out of position and the chance to get a youngster some game time and experience to improve them is gone.

No player is ever ready for first team football. They become ready by playing.

There's too much pressure on manager's to not play academy players, as it's a risk; but any manager worth their salt would take that risk if they wanted to help build a sustainable football club. ~

Re: Lee Hills; he has the talent, it's just that his knees were 10 years older than the rest of his body. Pointless comparison.

Edited by Nevermind (23 Mar 2014 12.11pm)

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adrian b Landrindod, Wales 23 Mar 14 12.11pm
Although lots of players at junior level don't make the grade it is the only way a young player can make it. Many go to lower and non-league sides and come good in the long run. By pushing the boys too hard that is what will happen. Good players but not at Palace, unless we all show patients.
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Landrindod, Wales 23 Mar 14 12.11pm

Although lots of players at junior level don't make the grade it is the only way a young player can make it. Many go to lower and non-league sides and come good in the long run. By pushing the boys too hard that is what will happen. Good players but not at Palace, unless we all show patients.

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RainhamEagle Bermondsey 23 Mar 14 12.50pm
Quote Nevermind at 23 Mar 2014 12.11pm Quote Icepick Tony at 23 Mar 2014 11.07am If a player is good enough to add to the team, they will play. It really is as simple as that. For every Zaha/Moses there will be 20+ Lee Hills. Players who look amazing prospects but sadly just don't make the grade. There are very few Rooney/Sturridge's in the world, young players who don't look out of their depth from the moment they step foot on the pitch. KaiKai for example is held in great regard, he has hardly set the world alight at Crawley though and to say he will change us in the Premiership is just barking mad. Sadly it doesn't work like that. The only reason Zaha, Moses and Clyne were given their debuts is because we were short on players. There is no way on this planet that Zaha was ready for the championship when he came on against Cardiff(?) under Paul Hart but the experience he gained from playing let him hone his skills and improve dramatically. We need to give these youngsters a chance to get some experience. KaiKai is struggling at Crawley but has shown some ability; but it's also a totally different environment to the Premier League. I don't think anyone is saying he would be instrumental in our team but what's the harm in giving him 15 minutes against a team when we're losing 2-0 or 3-0? Instead we bring in players and play them out of position and the chance to get a youngster some game time and experience to improve them is gone. No player is ever ready for first team football. They become ready by playing. There's too much pressure on manager's to not play academy players, as it's a risk; but any manager worth their salt would take that risk if they wanted to help build a sustainable football club. ~ Re: Lee Hills; he has the talent, it's just that his knees were 10 years older than the rest of his body. Pointless comparison. Edited by Nevermind (23 Mar 2014 12.11pm) Good post
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RainhamEagle

Bermondsey 23 Mar 14 12.50pm

Quote Nevermind at 23 Mar 2014 12.11pm

Quote Icepick Tony at 23 Mar 2014 11.07am

If a player is good enough to add to the team, they will play. It really is as simple as that.

For every Zaha/Moses there will be 20+ Lee Hills. Players who look amazing prospects but sadly just don't make the grade.

No player is ever ready for first team football. They become ready by playing.

There's too much pressure on manager's to not play academy players, as it's a risk; but any manager worth their salt would take that risk if they wanted to help build a sustainable football club. ~

Re: Lee Hills; he has the talent, it's just that his knees were 10 years older than the rest of his body. Pointless comparison.

Edited by Nevermind (23 Mar 2014 12.11pm)

Good post

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blind eagle Covington.Tennessee 23 Mar 14 4.32pm
Quote Nevermind at 23 Mar 2014 12.11pm Quote Icepick Tony at 23 Mar 2014 11.07am If a player is good enough to add to the team, they will play. It really is as simple as that. For every Zaha/Moses there will be 20+ Lee Hills. Players who look amazing prospects but sadly just don't make the grade. There are very few Rooney/Sturridge's in the world, young players who don't look out of their depth from the moment they step foot on the pitch. KaiKai for example is held in great regard, he has hardly set the world alight at Crawley though and to say he will change us in the Premiership is just barking mad. Sadly it doesn't work like that. The only reason Zaha, Moses and Clyne were given their debuts is because we were short on players. There is no way on this planet that Zaha was ready for the championship when he came on against Cardiff(?) under Paul Hart but the experience he gained from playing let him hone his skills and improve dramatically. We need to give these youngsters a chance to get some experience. KaiKai is struggling at Crawley but has shown some ability; but it's also a totally different environment to the Premier League. I don't think anyone is saying he would be instrumental in our team but what's the harm in giving him 15 minutes against a team when we're losing 2-0 or 3-0? Instead we bring in players and play them out of position and the chance to get a youngster some game time and experience to improve them is gone. No player is ever ready for first team football. They become ready by playing. There's too much pressure on manager's to not play academy players, as it's a risk; but any manager worth their salt would take that risk if they wanted to help build a sustainable football club. ~ Re: Lee Hills; he has the talent, it's just that his knees were 10 years older than the rest of his body. Pointless comparison. Edited by Nevermind (23 Mar 2014 12.11pm) A very good and interesting post.When I think of blooding youngsters I always revert to Matt Busby and his Busby Babes, Now I'm certainly not saying we have youngsters with the equivalent talent of any of Busby's babes but I am endorsing his philosophy of giving kids a chance. He obviously ran many risks but Busby as a manager was worth his salt and his head and his heart were in the right place. Mate your reference to sustainable hit the nail right on the head!.Good on you!.
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blind eagle

Covington.Tennessee 23 Mar 14 4.32pm

Quote Nevermind at 23 Mar 2014 12.11pm

Quote Icepick Tony at 23 Mar 2014 11.07am

If a player is good enough to add to the team, they will play. It really is as simple as that.

For every Zaha/Moses there will be 20+ Lee Hills. Players who look amazing prospects but sadly just don't make the grade.

No player is ever ready for first team football. They become ready by playing.

There's too much pressure on manager's to not play academy players, as it's a risk; but any manager worth their salt would take that risk if they wanted to help build a sustainable football club. ~

Re: Lee Hills; he has the talent, it's just that his knees were 10 years older than the rest of his body. Pointless comparison.

Edited by Nevermind (23 Mar 2014 12.11pm)

A very good and interesting post.When I think of blooding youngsters I always revert to Matt Busby and his Busby Babes, Now I'm certainly not saying we have youngsters with the equivalent talent of any of Busby's babes but I am endorsing his philosophy of giving kids a chance. He obviously ran many risks but Busby as a manager was worth his salt and his head and his heart were in the right place. Mate your reference to sustainable hit the nail right on the head!.Good on you!.

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Dweeb East London 23 Mar 14 4.38pm
Will Hoare is another youngster coming through, he's a holding/midfielder [Link] Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013
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Dweeb

East London 23 Mar 14 4.38pm

Will Hoare is another youngster coming through, he's a holding/midfielder [Link]

Taking the bungy jump since 1964. Never to see John Jackson in a shirt again

Sorry to see Lee Hills go, did we ever see Alex Marrow? We did January 2013

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Icepick Tony Chester 23 Mar 14 5.14pm
Quote Nevermind at 23 Mar 2014 12.11pm Quote Icepick Tony at 23 Mar 2014 11.07am If a player is good enough to add to the team, they will play. It really is as simple as that. For every Zaha/Moses there will be 20+ Lee Hills. Players who look amazing prospects but sadly just don't make the grade. There are very few Rooney/Sturridge's in the world, young players who don't look out of their depth from the moment they step foot on the pitch. KaiKai for example is held in great regard, he has hardly set the world alight at Crawley though and to say he will change us in the Premiership is just barking mad. Sadly it doesn't work like that. The only reason Zaha, Moses and Clyne were given their debuts is because we were short on players. There is no way on this planet that Zaha was ready for the championship when he came on against Cardiff(?) under Paul Hart but the experience he gained from playing let him hone his skills and improve dramatically. We need to give these youngsters a chance to get some experience. KaiKai is struggling at Crawley but has shown some ability; but it's also a totally different environment to the Premier League. I don't think anyone is saying he would be instrumental in our team but what's the harm in giving him 15 minutes against a team when we're losing 2-0 or 3-0? Instead we bring in players and play them out of position and the chance to get a youngster some game time and experience to improve them is gone. No player is ever ready for first team football. They become ready by playing. There's too much pressure on manager's to not play academy players, as it's a risk; but any manager worth their salt would take that risk if they wanted to help build a sustainable football club. ~ Re: Lee Hills; he has the talent, it's just that his knees were 10 years older than the rest of his body. Pointless comparison. Edited by Nevermind (23 Mar 2014 12.11pm) I see what you are saying but top top youngsters will prove they are ready and be included. Rooney at 16 was different gravy. Sturridge again was class and pushing for the 1st team at Chelsea but didn't want to play 2nd fiddle as he knew how good he was. Ross Barkley at Everton plays because he is quality, he would walk into our squad. Kane & Benteleb at Spurs are great youngsters that would add to our squad and play! Zaha and Moses lacked experience but skill wise was leaps and bounds above what we had. Clyne played because he was the best RB we had on our books. Yes Hills was injury prone but its a fair comparison to make, he is one of thousands of academy players that, for whatever reason, don't make the grade. If Kaikai was 'THAT' good he wouldn't be on loan, he would be in our squad as we are crying out for a striker who can score. He will gain experience at Crawley and come back better but he won't challenge what we have in the squad now. We are not in a position to blood in players that simply wont add to our squad. We have the under 21's league for that, or loans. Williams is by far and away our best prospect coming through but he isn't good enough to be in our squad in the position we are in, he has had a few games to prove himself and he just hasn't. He will play and this loan at Ipswich is vital to his development and the best way to get him up to speed for a shot at the 1st team. Although our academy is good, it's nowhere near that of Southamptons, or the top clubs. 90% of the players we produce are just not good enough to play for us. "They got his own song 'He's just too good for you', it's quite unbelievable but when you see it and he's facing up someone - I actually feel sorry for them, 'Cos he actually is" - Ian Holloway
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Chester 23 Mar 14 5.14pm

Quote Nevermind at 23 Mar 2014 12.11pm

Quote Icepick Tony at 23 Mar 2014 11.07am

If a player is good enough to add to the team, they will play. It really is as simple as that.

For every Zaha/Moses there will be 20+ Lee Hills. Players who look amazing prospects but sadly just don't make the grade.

No player is ever ready for first team football. They become ready by playing.

There's too much pressure on manager's to not play academy players, as it's a risk; but any manager worth their salt would take that risk if they wanted to help build a sustainable football club. ~

Re: Lee Hills; he has the talent, it's just that his knees were 10 years older than the rest of his body. Pointless comparison.

Edited by Nevermind (23 Mar 2014 12.11pm)

I see what you are saying but top top youngsters will prove they are ready and be included. Rooney at 16 was different gravy. Sturridge again was class and pushing for the 1st team at Chelsea but didn't want to play 2nd fiddle as he knew how good he was. Ross Barkley at Everton plays because he is quality, he would walk into our squad. Kane & Benteleb at Spurs are great youngsters that would add to our squad and play!
Zaha and Moses lacked experience but skill wise was leaps and bounds above what we had. Clyne played because he was the best RB we had on our books.

Yes Hills was injury prone but its a fair comparison to make, he is one of thousands of academy players that, for whatever reason, don't make the grade. If Kaikai was 'THAT' good he wouldn't be on loan, he would be in our squad as we are crying out for a striker who can score. He will gain experience at Crawley and come back better but he won't challenge what we have in the squad now. We are not in a position to blood in players that simply wont add to our squad. We have the under 21's league for that, or loans. Williams is by far and away our best prospect coming through but he isn't good enough to be in our squad in the position we are in, he has had a few games to prove himself and he just hasn't. He will play and this loan at Ipswich is vital to his development and the best way to get him up to speed for a shot at the 1st team.

Although our academy is good, it's nowhere near that of Southamptons, or the top clubs. 90% of the players we produce are just not good enough to play for us.

"They got his own song 'He's just too good for you', it's quite unbelievable but when you see it and he's facing up someone - I actually feel sorry for them, 'Cos he actually is" - Ian Holloway

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