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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 24 9.09am
Originally posted by cryrst Are these the same trained professionals who ignored the grooming gang evidence all those years ago, so that it didn’t upset certain communities. Accusing the actual victims and families of being racist. You know the ones the evidence was presented about. If so then I have a sneaky suspicion they may speak with forked tongue There you go! Another evidence free assertion! Did anyone “ignore the grooming gang evidence”? Or was a different strategy adopted to overcome it? That you, or anyone else, disagreed with the strategy, or that it has subsequently been modified, is beside the point. In any case this is not a valid comparative. The evidence on crime rates is a statistical exercise requiring the analysis of facts. Deciding tactics on how to respond on what turned out to be a bigger issue than was initially evident is a matter of judgement. Two very different sets of professionals. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 24 9.09am

Originally posted by cryrst

Are these the same trained professionals who ignored the grooming gang evidence all those years ago, so that it didn’t upset certain communities. Accusing the actual victims and families of being racist. You know the ones the evidence was presented about. If so then I have a sneaky suspicion they may speak with forked tongue

There you go! Another evidence free assertion!

Did anyone “ignore the grooming gang evidence”? Or was a different strategy adopted to overcome it? That you, or anyone else, disagreed with the strategy, or that it has subsequently been modified, is beside the point.

In any case this is not a valid comparative. The evidence on crime rates is a statistical exercise requiring the analysis of facts. Deciding tactics on how to respond on what turned out to be a bigger issue than was initially evident is a matter of judgement. Two very different sets of professionals.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 16 Aug 24 9.13am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle There you go! Another evidence free assertion! Did anyone “ignore the grooming gang evidence”? Or was a different strategy adopted to overcome it? That you, or anyone else, disagreed with the strategy, or that it has subsequently been modified, is beside the point. In any case this is not a valid comparative. The evidence on crime rates is a statistical exercise requiring the analysis of facts. Deciding tactics on how to respond on what turned out to be a bigger issue than was initially evident is a matter of judgement. Two very different sets of professionals. Wait for the report. [Link]
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Teddy Eagle

16 Aug 24 9.13am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There you go! Another evidence free assertion!

Wait for the report.

[Link]

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 24 9.33am
Originally posted by georgenorman Where have I accepted that all of this is in my imagination – perhaps you are hallucinating? She might have been well known to those who cheer on and celebrate the little controlled termination of nascent life, the overwhelming majority would not have heard of her before her wrongful arrests. Again, what evidence do you have that she was primed by the supposed “ADF” or any other group that oppose the pervasive termination of nascent life? At least you now accept that she broke no laws and that all of this is just in your imagination. What are your proposals in making the law even more severe than arresting someone for standing still in a public place, perhaps silently praying to themselves – will you have people arrested for merely existing? What will their crime be, ‘enemy of the people’ or ‘counter-revolutionary’ perhaps? Edited by georgenorman (16 Aug 2024 8.28am) Nope! You said it, although I confess to not believing it and using sarcasm:- “A clearer example of someone being arrested for their thoughts and opinions is hard to imagine.” You want evidence that she is supported by the ADL, read this:- [Link] She is also supported by the “Christian Institute”. These are all anti abortion activist groups, who employ lawyers to devise ways of avoiding the law. Just the same as when tax advisers find ways of avoiding tax the loopholes need to be plugged. I am not a government lawyer with the responsibility of devising the legal texts necessary to do this, but am confident that when time allows it will be done. Done in a way that addresses this issue and this issue alone. Not in a way that threatens anything else. Just to ensure that exclusion zones are respected by everyone and not abused by those with an agenda of their own. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 24 9.33am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Where have I accepted that all of this is in my imagination – perhaps you are hallucinating?
She might have been well known to those who cheer on and celebrate the little controlled termination of nascent life, the overwhelming majority would not have heard of her before her wrongful arrests.
Again, what evidence do you have that she was primed by the supposed “ADF” or any other group that oppose the pervasive termination of nascent life?
At least you now accept that she broke no laws and that all of this is just in your imagination.
What are your proposals in making the law even more severe than arresting someone for standing still in a public place, perhaps silently praying to themselves – will you have people arrested for merely existing? What will their crime be, ‘enemy of the people’ or ‘counter-revolutionary’ perhaps?

Edited by georgenorman (16 Aug 2024 8.28am)

Nope! You said it, although I confess to not believing it and using sarcasm:-

“A clearer example of someone being arrested for their thoughts and opinions is hard to imagine.”

You want evidence that she is supported by the ADL, read this:-

[Link]

She is also supported by the “Christian Institute”. These are all anti abortion activist groups, who employ lawyers to devise ways of avoiding the law. Just the same as when tax advisers find ways of avoiding tax the loopholes need to be plugged.

I am not a government lawyer with the responsibility of devising the legal texts necessary to do this, but am confident that when time allows it will be done.

Done in a way that addresses this issue and this issue alone. Not in a way that threatens anything else. Just to ensure that exclusion zones are respected by everyone and not abused by those with an agenda of their own.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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georgenorman 16 Aug 24 9.55am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Nope! You said it, although I confess to not believing it and using sarcasm:- “A clearer example of someone being arrested for their thoughts and opinions is hard to imagine.” You want evidence that she is supported by the ADL, read this:- [Link] She is also supported by the “Christian Institute”. These are all anti abortion activist groups, who employ lawyers to devise ways of avoiding the law. Just the same as when tax advisers find ways of avoiding tax the loopholes need to be plugged. I am not a government lawyer with the responsibility of devising the legal texts necessary to do this, but am confident that when time allows it will be done. Done in a way that addresses this issue and this issue alone. Not in a way that threatens anything else. Just to ensure that exclusion zones are respected by everyone and not abused by those with an agenda of their own. “A clearer example of someone being arrested for their thoughts and opinions is hard to imagine.” I’m more than happy to stand by the comment. Excellent link, thanks very much, I urge everyone to read it. It sums up very well the appalling injustices imposed on the lady and of course provides no evidence of her being primed. No doubt you think that the ‘Christian Institute’ should be proscribed along with any other groups who question the hardly controlled termination of nascent life. Powers already exist to ban people from physically being in certain places but in the lady’s case it would appear that the authorities though that would be too draconian. The current government’s attacks on our freedoms might of course change that.
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georgenorman

16 Aug 24 9.55am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Nope! You said it, although I confess to not believing it and using sarcasm:-

“A clearer example of someone being arrested for their thoughts and opinions is hard to imagine.”

You want evidence that she is supported by the ADL, read this:-

[Link]

I am not a government lawyer with the responsibility of devising the legal texts necessary to do this, but am confident that when time allows it will be done.

“A clearer example of someone being arrested for their thoughts and opinions is hard to imagine.”
I’m more than happy to stand by the comment.
Excellent link, thanks very much, I urge everyone to read it. It sums up very well the appalling injustices imposed on the lady and of course provides no evidence of her being primed.
No doubt you think that the ‘Christian Institute’ should be proscribed along with any other groups who question the hardly controlled termination of nascent life.
Powers already exist to ban people from physically being in certain places but in the lady’s case it would appear that the authorities though that would be too draconian. The current government’s attacks on our freedoms might of course change that.

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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Aug 24 10.35am
A new one on me, 'encouraging murder'. Andrew McIntyre will be at Liverpool Crown Court today, charged with encouraging murder, violent disorder and possession of a bladed article. One other charge of riot so far. Does prison work? It all depends on the individual, the shorter time inside the better really. 'Repent at leisure'.
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steeleye20

Croydon 16 Aug 24 10.35am

A new one on me, 'encouraging murder'.

Andrew McIntyre will be at Liverpool Crown Court today, charged with encouraging murder, violent disorder and possession of a bladed article.

One other charge of riot so far.

Does prison work? It all depends on the individual, the shorter time inside the better really.

'Repent at leisure'.

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Aug 24 11.52am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Wait for the report. [Link] A different type of professional obviously !
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Aug 24 11.52am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Wait for the report.

[Link]

A different type of professional obviously !

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Aug 24 11.53am
Originally posted by steeleye20 A new one on me, 'encouraging murder'. Andrew McIntyre will be at Liverpool Crown Court today, charged with encouraging murder, violent disorder and possession of a bladed article. One other charge of riot so far. Does prison work? It all depends on the individual, the shorter time inside the better really. 'Repent at leisure'. 6 years I reckon. 2TK has to set an example but it’s the precedents he is creating which many appeals on lenient or non jail time will catch a few out.
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cryrst

The garden of England 16 Aug 24 11.53am

Originally posted by steeleye20

A new one on me, 'encouraging murder'.

Andrew McIntyre will be at Liverpool Crown Court today, charged with encouraging murder, violent disorder and possession of a bladed article.

One other charge of riot so far.

Does prison work? It all depends on the individual, the shorter time inside the better really.

'Repent at leisure'.

6 years I reckon. 2TK has to set an example but it’s the precedents he is creating which many appeals on lenient or non jail time will catch a few out.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 16 Aug 24 11.54am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle There you go! Another evidence free assertion! Did anyone “ignore the grooming gang evidence”? Or was a different strategy adopted to overcome it? That you, or anyone else, disagreed with the strategy, or that it has subsequently been modified, is beside the point. In any case this is not a valid comparative. The evidence on crime rates is a statistical exercise requiring the analysis of facts. Deciding tactics on how to respond on what turned out to be a bigger issue than was initially evident is a matter of judgement. Two very different sets of professionals. You’ve excelled yourself here. 1. Did anyone “ignore the grooming gang evidence? Yes. The police and social services turned a blind eye and swept it under the carpet. And I wouldn’t be surprised if local councillors and more did too. 2. Or was a different strategy adopted to overcome it? Is that what you call doing nothing is? A strategy? There are vigilante sting operations going on holding online perpetrators until the police arrive. All evidence is available. All the work has been done for arrest and prosecution to follow. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 16 Aug 24 11.54am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There you go! Another evidence free assertion!

You’ve excelled yourself here.

1. Did anyone “ignore the grooming gang evidence?

Yes. The police and social services turned a blind eye and swept it under the carpet. And I wouldn’t be surprised if local councillors and more did too.

2. Or was a different strategy adopted to overcome it?

Is that what you call doing nothing is? A strategy?

There are vigilante sting operations going on holding online perpetrators until the police arrive. All evidence is available. All the work has been done for arrest and prosecution to follow.

COYP

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