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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Jun 24 8.54am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Click bait said there was a players only clear the air meeting, I wonder if this is related to that?

 


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Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 24 Jun 24 3.45am Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

no player wants to leave prematurely or get knocked out not playing to their strengths, it must be very infuriating for players that play at a high level to be in this predicament with England.. to me, the joy of Euro 96, France 98 was peak... it's never really found its form for me since..

 


This was once a quality forum....

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Jun 24 7.06am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Kane is right about the pundits. The way that Shearer and Lineker bang on you'd think that they'd actually won something with England. Shearer was in dreadful form going into Euro 96 if I remember rightly.

 


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dreamwaverider Flag London 24 Jun 24 8.09am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Kane is right about the pundits. The way that Shearer and Lineker bang on you'd think that they'd actually won something with England. Shearer was in dreadful form going into Euro 96 if I remember rightly.

I think it's great. At long last the pundits are giving an open honest opinion of the shortcomings of England. And there are loads. Starting and ending with Southgate.
Kane is clearly not fit and keeps playing out of position.
Southgate caused a stir picking all the youngsters. Now is the time to use them.
I would play Watkins up front with Gordon and Palmer.
Bellingham just behind with Wharton and Rice midfield.
Kane , Saka and Foden would make very good impact subs as required.

 

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mileend Flag East London 26 Jun 24 9.55am Send a Private Message to mileend Add mileend as a friend

It is crazy, for a change, how right I and many others on here have been about the problems in the England midfield BEFORE a ball was kicked in the Euros. Probably there is another group on Blackburn chat rooms who are saying exactly the same. Because I am not an expert football strategist. Far from it.

But once you have spent some time watching Adam Wharton it just becomes so obvious he is the missing piece. There has never been a more perfect fit of attributes of a midfielder of Adam and what England needs. Except one. Experience. And that is what Southgate prizes above almost everything else. Have you played big games for big clubs? Like that is the only answer. And we have seen it clearly over the last three games it is obviously NOT the answer.

Rice, Mainoo and Gallagher. Great talents. Great midfielders. Good guys actually. But they all are at their best in the attacking midfield role. Only Adam Wharton has any natural balance in his midfield abilities. Which are phenomenal by the way.

I'll leave you with this quote from the Guardian today about Gallagher (whose talents we all totally appreciate at Palace):

"Gallagher produced one of the most edgy, weird, fretful performances you’re likely to see at this level. It took him 10 minutes 48 seconds to touch the ball. Here is a list of things he did before he touched the ball. He fouled someone. He fell over. He stood in a strange non-position. By the end of his 45 minutes he had one clearance, two fouls, 13 passes, all of them short and basically just a nervous tic, shuttling the ball away."

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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 26 Jun 24 10.56am Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

I'm reaching a point now where I almost don't want Wharton to play a part in this tournament and potentially have his confidence damaged by this absolute clusterf***.

Southgate is utterly useless and needs to go as soon as the tournament is over. Better for Wharton to start his England career properly under a new manager and less pressure.

We are miraculously favourites to win the entire thing once again, owing to the fact that Spain, Germany, France and Portugal have all ended up in the opposite side of the draw meaning our route to the final couldn't be easier in theory.

Once again Southgate has been incredibly lucky with his route in the tournament and if he gets us to the semi-finals or beyond it is by luck and not judgement.

 


We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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Canterbury Palace Flag Whitstable 26 Jun 24 10.57am Send a Private Message to Canterbury Palace Add Canterbury Palace as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Kane is right about the pundits. The way that Shearer and Lineker bang on you'd think that they'd actually won something with England. Shearer was in dreadful form going into Euro 96 if I remember rightly.

Didn't Shearer win the Golden Boot?

Think it's completely refreshing to see the usual matey pundits actually be honest for once. These players need a verbal kicking,

 


We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Jun 24 2.31pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

Didn't Shearer win the Golden Boot?

Think it's completely refreshing to see the usual matey pundits actually be honest for once. These players need a verbal kicking,

Indeed however before the tournament he was getting pelters so I thought he might have a bit of sympathy.

"Shearer had not scored in 12 games in the 21 months prior,[15] and even his overall goalscoring record for England did not look too impressive so far, with five goals in 23 games.[82] However, he found the net in the 22nd minute of the first game, against Switzerland.[83] Scoring once in the following game against Scotland and twice in a 4–1 win over the Netherlands,[83] Shearer helped England to progress to the next stage in front of their own fans in Wembley"

 


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Daddyorc Flag Atlantic Highlands, NJ 26 Jun 24 3.01pm Send a Private Message to Daddyorc Add Daddyorc as a friend

Lets face it, the team that played yesterday with the subs maybe switching for first teamers, is all we will see for England (other than maybe Shaw if he is healthy).

We will not see Eze or Wharton (or Henderson) getting any minutes on the pitch, bar a couple of injuries.

Same goes for Toney, Watkins and other non-Palace not-used subs.

 

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pssguy Flag 26 Jun 24 3.02pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

I'm reaching a point now where I almost don't want Wharton to play a part in this tournament and potentially have his confidence damaged by this absolute clusterf***.

.

Well, TAA and Gallagher have played themselves out of partnering Rice but there are still Mainoo and Bellingham dropping back from No. 10, ahead of him so I think there is little chance of him getting minutes. His interview, which I read as basically telling Southgate to play him, may not have gone down well

I think the only chance he will he gets is if Mainoo has a stinker and we are down at halftime because the Dutch, for example, are running rampant in midfield

 

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Daddyorc Flag Atlantic Highlands, NJ 26 Jun 24 3.54pm Send a Private Message to Daddyorc Add Daddyorc as a friend

Originally posted by Daddyorc

Lets face it, the team that played yesterday with the subs maybe switching for first teamers, is all we will see for England (other than maybe Shaw if he is healthy).

We will not see Eze or Wharton (or Henderson) getting any minutes on the pitch, bar a couple of injuries.

Same goes for Toney, Watkins and other non-Palace not-used subs.

Or people like Foden have to leave for family reasons...

 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 26 Jun 24 5.33pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Daddyorc

Or people like Foden have to leave for family reasons...

Birth of his 3rd child. I, too was very sceptical.

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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