Why?

Our decline to disaster occurred mostly while we were in Europe. France and Germany are worse than Britain in terms of immigrant unrest.

Our institutions have been infiltrated by the Liberal Left. The traditional Left and the Right share certain principles which chime with the White population. Our politicians have never been more out of touch with the majority of people they are elected to represent. They baulk at the traditional family, have lost control of immigration and have created an economy where people
cannot afford to have enough children or have enough time to raise them properly.

Rejoining Europe would just make it easier for unelected globalists to put the final nails in the coffin of British life as we knew it. Only a radical change in our domestic politics can alter our path to disaster. The current Tories and modern Left no longer represent us.

Because...I just cannot see a future based around the current political set up. And at least in Europe you are seeing Right-Wingers at least being in with a shot of taking power, even if say in the case of Italy it does not work out how you expect it to.

Institutionally the UK is effectively screwed for those of us on the Right. Even if we managed to get somebody into power, the entire apparatus would turn against them. There is no conventional electoral route to success.

Now is there anymore chance of that in Europe? Potentially. And given how the EU is structured, if you can get commissioners into place then you can at least have a go at changing the outlook.

Not fully convinced of my position at the moment, and would still love a viable UK to exist but as things stand...I just cannot see how it can happen.

Sometimes a completely new paradigm is needed but all I see is a UK literally in the pocket of the US State Department with both Sunak and Starmer bought and sold a long time ago.

The West has to reinvent itself because in its current form it is finished. And it is possible that this reinvention requires a federalist European outlook.

Wish I could point you to a specifc blue-print for this or offer up at least a semblence of a way forward for it (and suspect it will only truly emerge once I am long gone) BUT perhaps the initial thinking requires us to be back into the EU so that at least we are in the mix.

Now I am convinced that by hook or by crook we will be going back into anyway within the next 5 years so it might be forced upon us anyway but sometimes you have to use a situation to your advantage and with the trend in Europe towards the Right, then who knows? Reaching out to our brothers in Europe and working towards a common goal might give us at least something to build upon but as matters stand?

We have had a Tory Government for the last 13 years. In 2019 they secured a massive majority. And did SFA with it beyond make the situation worse.

Time for a rethink.

Because a Europe from the tip of Scotland to the Ural Mountains literally contains everything a civilisation needs. The entire package.

I refuse to believe in the UK now as anything more than a US satellite state and probably the situation since the end of WW2. A federal Europe at least offers a vision.

Edited by Matov (29 Dec 2023 8.57pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

On that I fully agree but if it is not to be national borders then a form of federalism is the only option.

Definitely in the sounding out my own POV on this and may well swing away from it but trying to shake myself free of just thinking in terms of the conventional nation-state narrative. That is over and probably has been now for the best part of 20 years.

Adapt or die is my current mindset on this. We all just wrap ourselves in national flags and we get eaten alive.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

I don’t think nationalism is a factor for most people. It is about the erosion of European culture and society. Flag waving might be an easy expression but that along with the failed two party system must be left behind in order to fight for our future. There must be an all out effort to conquer hearts and minds and achieve political and institutional representation while there are still enough of us.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Dec 2023 12.01am)

I don't think the Turks as a whole want to join the EU but want a trading agreement.

Bear in mind Turkey has different distinct demographics of religion and nationalism.

The family with a son in harm's way doing national service in the south east is not interested in any EU BS

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