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Hrolf The Ganger 15 May 23 1.14pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Who said I'm a 'believer'? All I have said is that God (whatever that might be) is a more plausible cause of the Universe coming into being than it spontaneously creating itself. Perhaps God is everything that exists and that we are all part of God! Edited by georgenorman (15 May 2023 12.38pm) Where did I say you were? You are playing, ahem, Devil's advocate with a believer argument. I completely disagree with your statement. Firstly, no one has claimed that the universe was spontaneously created. No one actually knows. The Big Bang is not seen as the beginning in modern cosmology. You balk at the idea of the universe creating itself in some way, and then you grab a concept like God out of the air and then suggest that it might be the universe. If that is what God is, then you might as well call it nature or physics or energy. What most like to debate is the idea of intelligent design. That is where the root of the issue lies. The problem is how you define intelligent. Organisation and intelligence don't mean the same thing and only science can answer those questions, if we are capable of comprehending the answers. Some may claim to find answers elsewhere, but proof will not come from mumbo jumbo.
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15 May 23 1.14pm

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Originally posted by georgenorman

Who said I'm a 'believer'? All I have said is that God (whatever that might be) is a more plausible cause of the Universe coming into being than it spontaneously creating itself. Perhaps God is everything that exists and that we are all part of God!

Edited by georgenorman (15 May 2023 12.38pm)

Where did I say you were? You are playing, ahem, Devil's advocate with a believer argument.

I completely disagree with your statement. Firstly, no one has claimed that the universe was spontaneously created. No one actually knows. The Big Bang is not seen as the beginning in modern cosmology.

You balk at the idea of the universe creating itself in some way, and then you grab a concept like God out of the air and then suggest that it might be the universe.

If that is what God is, then you might as well call it nature or physics or energy.

What most like to debate is the idea of intelligent design. That is where the root of the issue lies.
The problem is how you define intelligent. Organisation and intelligence don't mean the same thing and only science can answer those questions, if we are capable of comprehending the answers.
Some may claim to find answers elsewhere, but proof will not come from mumbo jumbo.

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georgenorman 15 May 23 1.49pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Where did I say you were? You are playing, ahem, Devil's advocate with a believer argument. I completely disagree with your statement. Firstly, no one has claimed that the universe was spontaneously created. No one actually knows. The Big Bang is not seen as the beginning in modern cosmology. You balk at the idea of the universe creating itself in some way, and then you grab a concept like God out of the air and then suggest that it might be the universe. If that is what God is, then you might as well call it nature or physics or energy. What most like to debate is the idea of intelligent design. That is where the root of the issue lies. The problem is how you define intelligent. Organisation and intelligence don't mean the same thing and only science can answer those questions, if we are capable of comprehending the answers. Some may claim to find answers elsewhere, but proof will not come from mumbo jumbo. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." [Bill Shakespeare, Hamlet]
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15 May 23 1.49pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Where did I say you were? You are playing, ahem, Devil's advocate with a believer argument.

You balk at the idea of the universe creating itself in some way, and then you grab a concept like God out of the air and then suggest that it might be the universe.

If that is what God is, then you might as well call it nature or physics or energy.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
[Bill Shakespeare, Hamlet]

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 May 23 2.34pm
Originally posted by georgenorman "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." [Bill Shakespeare, Hamlet] Quoting Shakespeare won't help find them.
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Hrolf The Ganger

15 May 23 2.34pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
[Bill Shakespeare, Hamlet]

Quoting Shakespeare won't help find them.

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georgenorman 15 May 23 2.55pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Quoting Shakespeare won't help find them. I hope there is a Last Judgement though, I want to hear Benteke justify his £27 million+ fee.
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georgenorman

15 May 23 2.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Quoting Shakespeare won't help find them.

I hope there is a Last Judgement though, I want to hear Benteke justify his £27 million+ fee.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 May 23 3.05pm
Originally posted by georgenorman I hope there is a Last Judgement though, I want to hear Benteke justify his £27 million+ fee. it was That Goal against Brighton. Proof positive that a God does exist. Cos it was a feckin miracle that that useless fecker could score. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by georgenorman

I hope there is a Last Judgement though, I want to hear Benteke justify his £27 million+ fee.

it was That Goal against Brighton. Proof positive that a God does exist. Cos it was a feckin miracle that that useless fecker could score.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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